Predictions for OC/FT Live Letter

[Carin-Eri]

Part One of the LL was awful and my opinion of YoshiP has dropped significantly. He is completely tone-deaf.

[Maltothoris]

Part One of the LL was awful and my opinion of YoshiP has dropped significantly. He is completely tone-deaf.

Welcome to the view of healers on Yoshi P. Ever since he made that "If you want to heal, go do Ultimate." comment. And all the other stuff he said about healers like the first iteration of lilies.

[Gurgeh]

Part One of the LL was awful and my opinion of YoshiP has dropped significantly. He is completely tone-deaf.

...

I think there is a lot of room for significant improvement.

BUT THEY WERE COMPLETELY HONEST AND THATS GREAT ON ITS OWN NO MATTER WHAT!

We asked them to talk. And they did and it was honest.
Yeah still a bit tone deaf but... there is only so much embarrassment one can deal with.

I was a little surprised that I was as emotionally disappointed, but I don't think they could have reasonably done anything else at this stage, short of breath-taking effort and commitment. And maybe that's not reasonable? Not out of the question, but not reasonable? They could have smashed the premades utterly like I want, but only if they were able to stand by their content as proggable... and its probably not. (My solution either works or it watches the whole world burn)

But...

CB3.
You just can't do this again!

If you've got future savage content spreadsheeted out and, and development time already spent... you are now going to have to tear those spreadsheets up this time... and throw that dev work in the freezer in definately.

IF YOU ARE DOING ANOTHER CLOUD OF DARKNESS IT GOES IN THE BIN TODAY!

You know... maybe you could release an ultimate light, with all its extra story, and its shiny weapons... that has absolutely no DPS check, that is slow, but which is heavy on the 6 man body checks, with room always to recover.
An ultimate raider will clear it second pull blind, someone like me will spend 2-4 weeks progging it, until I know my part of the fight perfectly... but once I do that's it.
Award casuals money for time spent progring it, just tomes or something will do.
Points for effort. Its not impossible. Casuals would adore surprising ourselves. Every caual that has had some firends help the through thier first Extreme high end knows this. But then then they are faced with farm PFs and that a whole other loads of BS.
Reward people for prog and you'll get them in DF. (especially if your brave enough to limit parties to 4/8 so they've got no choice.)
A fight that will kill any party that does not have 1.5 healers healing fully (not perfectly, not optimally, just fully) + 1 tank party mitigating fully, (between the two of them). No enrage. None at all. No DPS mitigation needed. No Food 'needed' even to prog. Level synced but needing only normal gear. When you queue you know it could be a 10 min fight for ultimate or a 40 minute fight for the likes of me.
You get the idea
Force it into DF is the point.
Reward people for entering, so there is light at the end of the tunnel while they are doing it.
Then in 12 months let people 8 man PF it.
No this is not Extreme, you can prog extreme as a casual without food and good gear, and without DPS mitigation, and it has enrage, and rewards suck, and you cant incentivise people to DF it, and ther is no story, and shiny weapons, and they don't make players feel proud or special frankly.
Your casual player needs a hug.
(Maybe shelve that next ultimate. "sorry, cost" It was very thinkable for Forked tower wasn't it? no I don't expect you to, but itsno less outrageous you did that to us. Don't do it again.)

[Alahard]

...

I think there is a lot of room for significant improvement.

BUT THEY WERE COMPLETELY HONEST AND THATS GREAT ON ITS OWN NO MATTER WHAT!

The balls to tell the casual playerbase that they are not worth considering content for over the raiders was certainly a choice.
And then the balls tell the raiders they want to make it hard for them to even enjoy the content built for them by forcing conflict in the community was also a choice.

Who where they designing for?

[DynnDiablos]

The balls to tell the casual playerbase that they are not worth considering content for over the raiders was certainly a choice.
And then the balls tell the raiders they want to make it hard for them to even enjoy the content built for them by forcing conflict in the community was also a choice.

Who where they designing for?

The five main content creators that blow smoke up their asses and stream it, while saying how amazing it is and gaslighting the playerbase. aka Mr. Happy.

[Gurgeh]

The five main content creators that blow smoke up their asses and stream it, while saying how amazing it is and gaslighting the playerbase. aka Mr. Happy.

Ehh... I think there are others you could name before Mr Happy. I don't think he 'cares', he quite clearly sees himself as 'apart' from us, our problem not his, but he gets it. I've not seen him gaslight, not seen him much though myself. I think he's about the last to mention of the real 'savage' creators though.
Don't suggest you do name them though.

[Yodada]

Ehh... I think there are others you could name before Mr Happy. I don't think he 'cares', he quite clearly sees himself as 'apart' from us, our problem not his, but he gets it. I've not seen him gaslight, not seen him much though myself. I think he's about the last to mention of the real 'savage' creators though.
Don't suggest you do name them though.

You should watch the latest "State of the Realm" then ...

[Gurgeh]

The balls to tell the casual playerbase that they are not worth considering content for over the raiders was certainly a choice.
And then the balls tell the raiders they want to make it hard for them to even enjoy the content built for them by forcing conflict in the community was also a choice.

Who where they designing for?

Yes but if they don't have balls then we really are fckd. Or they just don't talk to us once again. Or they start outright lying.
Yes the balls indeed.

[Alahard]

Yes but if they don't have balls then we really are fckd. Or they just don't talk to us once again. Or they start outright lying.
Yes the balls indeed.

I get it.

But I rather hear action instead of reasons.

Saying: As a response to feedback, we will make sure that in the future we implement content for both groups for each patch, and this is how ->
x1
y1
x2
y2
We would like to hear your feedback on these plans so we can get them as quickily as possible.


That is way better than:
Sorry guys, we had to make a choice and we decided to not give casuals interesting content. Another raid to the raiders. By the way, we decided that the raids are to be frustrating to raiders to even get in.

To give some credit, they did say they mean to make a casual normal mode for the next OC.... which releases.... in a year???? And they said it in a way that states they originally weren't planing to...
I guess the casual playerbase is finally getting DD in August, wait no its probably in the .5 patch so October???

[AvoSturmfaust]

You know... maybe you could release an ultimate light, with all its extra story, and its shiny weapons... that has absolutely no DPS check, that is slow, but which is heavy on the 6 man body checks, with room always to recover.
An ultimate raider will clear it second pull blind, someone like me will spend 2-4 weeks progging it, until I know my part of the fight perfectly... but once I do that's it.
Award casuals money for time spent progring it, just tomes or something will do.
Points for effort. Its not impossible. Casuals would adore surprising ourselves. Every caual that has had some firends help the through thier first Extreme high end knows this. But then then they are faced with farm PFs and that a whole other loads of BS.
Reward people for prog and you'll get them in DF. (especially if your brave enough to limit parties to 4/8 so they've got no choice.)
A fight that will kill any party that does not have 1.5 healers healing fully (not perfectly, not optimally, just fully) + 1 tank party mitigating fully, (between the two of them). No enrage. None at all. No DPS mitigation needed. No Food 'needed' even to prog. Level synced but needing only normal gear. When you queue you know it could be a 10 min fight for ultimate or a 40 minute fight for the likes of me.
You get the idea
Force it into DF is the point.
Reward people for entering, so there is light at the end of the tunnel while they are doing it.
Then in 12 months let people 8 man PF it.
No this is not Extreme, you can prog extreme as a casual without food and good gear, and without DPS mitigation, and it has enrage, and rewards suck, and you cant incentivise people to DF it, and ther is no story, and shiny weapons, and they don't make players feel proud or special frankly.
Your casual player needs a hug.
(Maybe shelve that next ultimate. "sorry, cost" It was very thinkable for Forked tower wasn't it? no I don't expect you to, but itsno less outrageous you did that to us. Don't do it again.)

Hell no, you want a shiny ultimate weapon? go and prog a ultimate and improv your playstyle, ultimates should never ever have a easy mode or anything