Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Aravell]

It is content in the game they pay for. This isnt some "Haha gotcha" moment for you.
Nobody is saying one person is worth more than 48 others. We are saying they are both equal. You have no more right telling Johnny Random to go away than Johnny Random has a right to participate in the content. It is not on Johnny Random (or the discords). This entire system is flawed and is 100% SEs fault. Johnny Random just plays by the games rules and participates in the cipher lottery.

Basic empathy also goes both ways. Basic empathy is *not* bowing down to the mighty discord/streamer overlords who told them to "piss off" (But Im saying it nicely uwu).

If Johnny Random gets in is it basic empathy to then tell them "We wont rez you."? Doesn't sound very empathic to me.

Let me ask you then, if you go through all the effort to get 48 people into one instance to clear FT and someone chucks in 3 ciphers and takes the spot of a key role, which then makes the content unclearable, would you happily accept them? No annoyance at all? Just pure acceptance to raise them happily even though they can walk themselves into a trap and annihilate 23 other people? It's not a gotcha to point out the fact that it works both ways, if one says clearing FT isn't compulsory to discount the organised group, then the random person also has no reason compelling them to be there and can freely leave.

It's the same as people raving on about how good third party sites are in clearing out "prog liars" from their savage PF, discord organisation is just done to improve the chances of a clear.

Like it or not, it's not against the ToS to politely ask people to allow the organised group to enter uncontested. It's also not against ToS to not heal and raise someone not in your party, it may be rude to the person that just died, but it's still not against ToS.

I honestly want to know the reasoning behind the twisted logic that people seem to have about how discord groups are evil for wanting to clear the content and that it's not compulsory to clear the content, yet it's somehow also imperative for the random player to be able to enter the tower and have fun in the content? It doesn't make sense to me, it just looks like 2 sets of standards and reeks of bias against organised groups.

[ChrysOCE]

I honestly want to know the reasoning behind the twisted logic that people seem to have about how discord groups are evil for wanting to clear the content and that it's not compulsory to clear the content, yet it's somehow also imperative for the random player to be able to enter the tower and have fun in the content? It doesn't make sense to me, it just looks like 2 sets of standards and reeks of bias against organised groups.

Resentment and frustration, aimed at the wrong people, for CBU3 utterly screwing up what should have been an easy and simple implementation of Field Ops?

[Aravell]

Resentment and frustration, aimed at the wrong people, for CBU3 utterly screwing up what should have been an easy and simple implementation of Field Ops?

I suppose people always want to have a boogeyman. Mentors, casuals, raiders, now discord groups.

[Kasumii]

Let me ask you then, if you go through all the effort to get 48 people into one instance to clear FT and someone chucks in 3 ciphers and takes the spot of a key role, which then makes the content unclearable, would you happily accept them? No annoyance at all? Just pure acceptance to raise them happily even though they can walk themselves into a trap and annihilate 23 other people? It's not a gotcha to point out the fact that it works both ways, if one says clearing FT isn't compulsory to discount the organised group, then the random person also has no reason compelling them to be there and can freely leave.

It's the same as people raving on about how good third party sites are in clearing out "prog liars" from their savage PF, discord organisation is just done to improve the chances of a clear.

Like it or not, it's not against the ToS to politely ask people to allow the organised group to enter uncontested. It's also not against ToS to not heal and raise someone not in your party, it may be rude to the person that just died, but it's still not against ToS.

Yes I would. Believe it or not. I know some raidbros fail to understand that. This is clearly the intent behind the entry system. I don't get what's so hard to understand about that.

And I actually agree, it does work both ways. If they leave? Great! If they don't? Refer to my other post then. If you really don't wanna deal with randoms just instance hop again, wait for the weather to change or whatever because according to you the run is over anyways as soon as the random gets in. So either way you waste time (according to yourself). At least if you instance hop you don't need to spend that time leveling up again eh?

And while it may not be a ToS violation I am pretty sure telling people you will not rez them on purpose is actually harassment (I would count it as such). But that's for the GMs to decide at the end of the day.