Relic being tomestone step AGAIN is incredibly depressing

[ACE135]

You have to get away from the mindset of always wanting to do things in the most efficient way possible because you otherwise think you "wasted" your time. Just do the things you like the most. If that means having 10 hours of fun with things you like instead of having no fun with doing maybe 3 hours of things you don't like but just do because it's more efficient, so be it. Having fun is more valuable than having no fun. At the end you will be finished anyway and don't know what to do then.

[Damnhedge]

It's to please both people, those that liked the ease of access of Endwalker relic, and those that wanted an oldschool type relic grind. This was a good idea, having to do atmas for every single relic would've been a true nightmare, especially with how unpredictable the drops are.

God you people wouldn't have lasted a day doing on patch Atmas or the Zodiac Dungeon Drops. I've seen so many people go "Oh the Demiatmas are so bad cause they're so rare." no they're not lmao, they're fine. The biggest bottle neck is OC's god awful drop rate spread, some areas have more fates and CEs compared to others. You're quite literally better off doing overworld fates for demiatmas and not OC, which is an issue in and of itself.

As somebody who enjoyed ON PATCH BOOKS, ON PATCH Light grind, ON PATCH Alexander Gordias grind, this is bad. And I had hoped that after the backlash from those two years of god awful Manderville Patches, they'd atleast have something a bit more passable then a babies first Atma grind. Alot of people don't seem to understand that Relics SHOULD be grinds, not just a one time grind but they should be something you work towards, not just for a single weapon, but all of them. I don't care about gearing other jobs, I care about DOING THE GRIND. I didn't do DR 255 times before 5.55 dropped because I "Wanted every weapon", I wanted it for the satisfaction of knowing I did that on patch pre-nerf for every weapon I could get.

Relics should never have been made easier and turned into pure tome dumps just to make it easier for people who don't wanna play the game more then an hour a day a quick and easy glam weapon, and the fact Yoshida himself prior to DT tried to hype up these new relics up as "We listened and we're gonna make it harder!!!! this is what you wanted don't come crying to me when it's too hard".

"There's more Relic steps coming" yup, that was the cope in Endwalker, and look where that got us.

Roulette gives plenty of tomes to use, just play the game as normal and the relics will come.
There's quite a few more patches, and thus relics upgrades to get in the future!

Yes that is the issue, thank you for explaining it for me. Relics shouldn't come just by doing your bare minimum dailies. And if they do, it shouldn't be a reward for two days of not even every single one of your daily roulettes, that's a pity reward, it shouldn't be a pity reward.

EDIT: I take this so seriously because as somebody who's been playing since 2.0, Relic Grinds and Questlines were the objectively one thing I was always looking forward to. It was something I knew I would enjoy, and in EW my favourite piece of content was ripped away from me for no reason other then "There's too many jobs now and people want more relics sad face". And it disappoints me immensely that they're going down this route AGAIN. Yes there's more patches coming, but again, I said the same thing in Endwalker, and we got 1,500 tome steps all the way. I understand that I am in the minority of people who want a return to pre-nerf Zodiac Books, but it's not too much to ask to have a middle ground, and a barely passable one time demiatma stage is not a middle ground, it's barely a pity grind.

[Volgia]

And you dont have any other thing to do instead of /laugh or /complain about others irl?

Cringe. Leave him do whatever he want. Whats the problem for you?. You dont know how is his life or circustances.

Wow average players being like that. Sad.

Who cares about their life circumstances? Is the content supposed to be designed and catered towards people who no-life it? Please.

[Granyala]

Then I saw the next step… and all the following steps were tomestone grinds.

Thank God.

That means I can do whatever content and grab the relic for my less often played classes instead of having to deal with this flustercluck design that is OC.
Sorry but that place is as soulless as it gets and after doing the Atma stage, I have seen the (admittedly well done) Criticals enough to get bored of them as well.

So no: I am quite happy that OC is not mandatory for follow-up relics.

If folks want to do it, they can farm their tomes in there but they can also mix it up to lessen burnout. SE provides a wide array of things to do for the follow-up steps. This is actually SMART game design.

You have to get away from the mindset of always wanting to do things in the most efficient way possible because you otherwise think you "wasted" your time. Just do the things you like the most.

Preach, sister!
This is a GAME, not a JOB.

Relics shouldn't come just by doing your bare minimum dailies.

Given the mediocre item level, that is already eclipsed by the tome weapon: yeah, it should.
This ain't HW, where the relic was on par with savage weaponry and SE balanced the effort around that. In case you bother to remember, that design choice did NOT go over well with the community at the time.

Face facts: Relics were almost always aimed the more casual folks that will never see a savage/ultimate or even extreme Primal weapon while it is current.

As it stands, I've already done WAY more with the current Demiatma stage than I'd do for any superior tome weapon.

Who cares about their life circumstances? Is the content supposed to be designed and catered towards people who no-life it? Please.

The content is designed to provide "something to do" until the next iteration/step hits.
IRRC that will be sometime by the end of 2025.

SE does not put in any locks that prevent people from no-lifing it though.

[CCheshire]

Honestly, I don't mind the new atmas. I've had it done for 8 days since launch, and now we're farming tomes for alt jobs.

If you enjoy OC, then you can still run it; it's still active, and if you like fate farming in DT, it's still around, so I don't see why not do both since they all give tomes either way. Also, I'm just glad I found a use for the uncapped tomes since the crafting mats dropped in value so much that it's almost worthless for months now.

[Damnhedge]

Given the mediocre item level, that is already eclipsed by the tome weapon: yeah, it should.

First of all who cares about ilevel, if you really wanna bring up muh bis argument, boo hoo, your weapon is BIS for 2 months before the next expansion. XIV gearing is trash anyway because for all your effort it's replaced with crafted gear 4 to 8 months later, that's an entirely different discussion.
Second, if you really wanna use Ilevel as a "This is how easy it should be to get" then by your own logic 1000 tomes and a 7 week totem wait is no a valid enough amount of effort for a higher ilevel weapon, and even less so for an upgrade that requires weekly tokens from a 24 man months after the fact.

Yeah people disliked the HW step, and yes I was one of the few people insane enough to do Gordias 100 times for each floor for my first Anima weapon. Am I saying we need to go back to that? No. The issue lies in that it's just a tome grind, this game's bread and butter. People FAMOUSLY hate how monotonous and unchanged XIV's base gameplay loop has been for the past 11 years, and adding relics on to that just so there's a semblance of "new content" is shit. I'm glad you find enjoyment in "just playing the game and getting a free reward" but there is absolutely a middle ground that the devs refuse to acknowledge. Even CE gets it right, this wouldn't be an issue if subsequent relics required less and less Atmas.

[DynnDiablos]

God you people wouldn't have lasted a day doing on patch Atmas or the Zodiac Dungeon Drops. I've seen so many people go "Oh the Demiatmas are so bad cause they're so rare." no they're not lmao, they're fine. The biggest bottle neck is OC's god awful drop rate spread, some areas have more fates and CEs compared to others. You're quite literally better off doing overworld fates for demiatmas and not OC, which is an issue in and of itself.

As somebody who enjoyed ON PATCH BOOKS, ON PATCH Light grind, ON PATCH Alexander Gordias grind, this is bad. And I had hoped that after the backlash from those two years of god awful Manderville Patches, they'd atleast have something a bit more passable then a babies first Atma grind. Alot of people don't seem to understand that Relics SHOULD be grinds, not just a one time grind but they should be something you work towards, not just for a single weapon, but all of them. I don't care about gearing other jobs, I care about DOING THE GRIND. I didn't do DR 255 times before 5.55 dropped because I "Wanted every weapon", I wanted it for the satisfaction of knowing I did that on patch pre-nerf for every weapon I could get.

Relics should never have been made easier and turned into pure tome dumps just to make it easier for people who don't wanna play the game more then an hour a day a quick and easy glam weapon, and the fact Yoshida himself prior to DT tried to hype up these new relics up as "We listened and we're gonna make it harder!!!! this is what you wanted don't come crying to me when it's too hard".

"There's more Relic steps coming" yup, that was the cope in Endwalker, and look where that got us.



Yes that is the issue, thank you for explaining it for me. Relics shouldn't come just by doing your bare minimum dailies. And if they do, it shouldn't be a reward for two days of not even every single one of your daily roulettes, that's a pity reward, it shouldn't be a pity reward.

EDIT: I take this so seriously because as somebody who's been playing since 2.0, Relic Grinds and Questlines were the objectively one thing I was always looking forward to. It was something I knew I would enjoy, and in EW my favourite piece of content was ripped away from me for no reason other then "There's too many jobs now and people want more relics sad face". And it disappoints me immensely that they're going down this route AGAIN. Yes there's more patches coming, but again, I said the same thing in Endwalker, and we got 1,500 tome steps all the way. I understand that I am in the minority of people who want a return to pre-nerf Zodiac Books, but it's not too much to ask to have a middle ground, and a barely passable one time demiatma stage is not a middle ground, it's barely a pity grind.

Dude, like see a therapist.

[Damnhedge]

Dude, like see a therapist.

Come up with a better argument and I will.

[Granyala]

First of all who cares about ilevel

Even CE gets it right, this wouldn't be an issue if subsequent relics required less and less Atmas.

1) The developers do. You either grind a lot, raid or you are TIME gated. These are the 3 options the use for high level gear. Relic is currently option 1.

I am sure, following steps will be similar in nature: do a grind and then get a short-cut for follow-up weapons for other classes.
IMHO this is a good compromise for people that play multiple classes. They could buff the droprate of the red tomes needed for the Azurite from CE's to make them competitive to dungeon running though. So people that want to stick to OC can do that.

2) I prefer tomes. Tomes drop from a variety of content and do not lock me down to a single thing: FATE farming. Which is IMHO the most boring content the game has to offer.

[Damnhedge]

2) I prefer tomes. Tomes drop from a variety of content and do not lock me down to a single thing: FATE farming. Which is IMHO the most boring content the game has to offer.

I sadly just can't agree, Relics could be purely cosmetic ilevel 1 weapons and as long as the grind was something I can sink my teeth into I'd do it. Just running the same roulettes 2 hours a day for a weapon every 2 days is not it for me. There is absolutely a middle ground like getting demiatmas from dungeons, raids, literally anything as opposed to just making it fate grinding, which yeah can get pretty boring. But I just can't agree that tome dumps are a compromise they have to settle on.