Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Atreus]

How is simply trying to enter FFA content "sniping"?

There's the literal way to look at this, as in yes you are literally capable of just joining Forked Tower whenever, freely.

Then there's the practical way, in that you shouldn't be doing that shit because the content is too difficult to not coordinate, especially if a group politely communicates to you beforehand (using this whole OP situation as the example).

Either way SquareEnix is wrong.

[ChrysOCE]

Because it's not FFA content. SE left their high-end calling card on it.

But want to do it FFA, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you! Go and enter with 24 randoms and see how far you get. 99% of the time, you won't even see discords trying to go in there - there is plenty of time for you to approach it during the weather and ask 23 others to join you.

And once you wipe immediately you'll probably change your mind about it being "FFA" content.

Except it is FFA. The entry conditions is literally FFA. The content inside FT doesn't change that.

[Gurgeh]

This post is blatantly a bad faith attempt at painting the discords as evil spiteful content mongering overlords.

...They have claims of people being rude, but the only screenshot they provide is people asking them not to join.
...

A certain streamer, who I won't name because they can be really nasty and use their power to publicly shame and attack people, and so frankly I'm afraid of them, (this is as close as I want to come to provoking them to going on the attack, i don't even think it's too defend their ego is because they can and they enjoy it) , literally suggested discord as the solution, for certain content, to deal with problem players. (And I don't want to hear "'not this' kind of problem player, 'that' kind of problem player". That's as much as they effectively said. That's what some will have heard. They need to get better at being a communicator otherwise. Especially if they are going be a creator.)

Furthermore, my experience of discords... logs logs logs. Sometimes they were being helpful. Othertimes, I had to gaslight myself to see it that way. It soils the game for me, and I'm not interested in making the effort to change my psychology on that.
I have a great time.
Then i look at someone's log. I feel shit. And I wind up preferring I'd never played because i spent my time to come away feeling bad.
The only difference? Those bloody logs.
So sod impersonal discords.

As for asking people not to join?!!
How bloody rude!

Just think how someone is supposed to 'feel' upon being asking not to join?
Maybe some of you out there really are psychopaths and not just sociopaths? Maybe some of you really wouldn't 'feel' a thing if you were asked not to join, ater youd really got your 'hopes' and 'excitement' up to finally see the new contents show piece. (Whatever hope and excitement might feel like to a psycopath.)

If your premade joins an instance with a 'rando', you can make the best of it, still enjoy playing the game, still enjoy doing your best. You get to have something, rather than the nothing your leaving the rando why when you tell them they not wanted.
"You see what you need to understand is, so that I can have everything, you do have to make do with nothing. Sorry, I don't make the rules. Oh sorry wait, that's the wrong way round, i meant 'not' sorry, I 'do' make the rules"
Fk off you rude selfish bstrds. Go play another game if you don't like it.
People would absolutely be better off with not getting in because of no players, rather than not getting in and having a fellow player tell them they are excluded.
Bloody sociopaths the lot of you.

[Jeeqbit]

Except it is FFA. The entry conditions is literally FFA. The content inside FT doesn't change that.

Then what's the problem? Go and enter with 24 randoms then. Why is this a thread if that is true?

[ChrysOCE]

Either way SquareEnix is wrong.

A 1000% this

[Bryson]

I mean they are actually spiteful gatekeeping snobs though. The strategy of leaving randoms for dead and calling them snipers from the get go is well established in NA. Also go read some of the comments in other threads where people are complaining about FT entry system by these same people literally bragging and posing ultimatums and then tell me about 'shameful' behavior.

you can't have it both ways
you think randoms are entitled to a raise by others in a premade, but also the randoms shouldn't a. study or b. join the discord to ensure they're on the same page as everyone else?
you know the very same people that allowed for the random to even get inside FT in the first place.. cause the random isn't offering up 16 ciphers themselves.

how is the random getting inside FT, unless they rely on members of the premade to offer ciphers

do tell

[ChrysOCE]

Then what's the problem? Go and enter with 24 randoms then. Why is this a thread if that is true?

Because it shouldn't be FFA, with the way the content is actually designed. Except it is. Do you see the problem here?

[Jeeqbit]

Because it shouldn't be FFA, with the way the content is actually designed. Except it is. Do you see the problem here?

You can read my other posts for the answer to that.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

you can't have it both ways
you think randoms are entitled to a raise by others in a premade, but also the randoms shouldn't a. study or b. join the discord to ensure they're on the same page as everyone else?
you know the very same people that allowed for the random to even get inside FT in the first place.. cause the random isn't offering up 16 ciphers themselves.

how is the random getting inside FT, unless they rely on members of the premade to offer ciphers

do tell

They aren't in part because discord gatekeepers have created an environment wherein the whole OC instance is scared to pug the raid as it was designed btw. It is a pug entry design like cll and dalriada, it's not a premade entry design. At any rate it's pretty expected and normal for unsuspecting randoms to try enter the raid when a lot of people suddenly show up on the platform. Being hostile to them and calling them snipers and wanting to murder and not raise them , is still a choice.

[Bryson]

They aren't in part because discord gatekeepers have created an environment wherein the whole OC instance is scared to pug the raid as it was designed btw. It is a pug entry design like cll and dalriada, it's not a premade entry design. At any rate it's pretty expected and normal for unsuspecting randoms to try enter the raid when a lot of people suddenly show up on the platform. Being hostile to them and calling them snipers and wanting to murder and not raise them , is still a choice.

you didn't answer any of my questions though?

1. How is the random getting inside FT, unless they rely on members of the premade to offer ciphers (requires at least 16 ciphers)
2. Why is the random going in with a premade, entitled to a raise?

you're conflating what they intended, with the reality of the situation.