Free trial accounts being used to obstruct zones by one guy (Weeaboo Police/CIA)

[Anonemoose]

At this point, this is not "some guy existing".

But essentially, it is negatively affecting new player experience. The people who never have to engage with it, whatever. You don't go to Limsa or hear about it. But literally every day or sometimes every few hours they have to see it or engage with it. It's a public nuisance and it seems they can be removed/banned off the basis of him using bots to level these, so that is what has to be reported to the Special Task Force.

So where is the line for what is a public nuisance? They aren't blocking access to anything, its just a minor eyesore for people passing through the Aetheryte plaza. If every minor eyesore or trivial inconvenience can be considered a public nuisance, this isn't an MMO - it's a theme park curated by and for HOA Karens.

If you're going to accuse them of botting to level them I hope you've got evidence.

[SophiaDL]

At this point, this is not "some guy existing".

But essentially, it is negatively affecting new player experience. The people who never have to engage with it, whatever. You don't go to Limsa or hear about it. But literally every day or sometimes every few hours they have to see it or engage with it. It's a public nuisance and it seems they can be removed/banned off the basis of him using bots to level these, so that is what has to be reported to the Special Task Force.

If you genuinely bother with blocking this many of them, you honestly must be really bored.

[SkankyRoe]

You're welcome to substantiate your argument but if you'd rather crash out go right ahead.

No point in crashing out if you're willing to actually discuss things. I appreciate this response from you.

[Anonemoose]

No point in crashing out if you're willing to actually discuss things. I appreciate this response from you.

I have no beef with you personally. Just the idea/argument that idling characters have any material impact on congestion, causing a negative impact on player experiences. The "congestion" "feature" was added after Endwalker's launch because the decades old infrastructure melts into cascading failures when too many people try to log on at once. The "congestion queues" are largely fake anyway - what's really happening is they process logins in pulses so it's less of a position in a queue and more of an arbitrary timer.

[SkankyRoe]

You haven't explained how this impacts you or anybody else though. Can you explain particularly how a few dozen idling alts materially impacts "congestion", and how this is causative of detriment to player experience?

Well the way the congestion stuff has always been presented is for it to be influenced by the amount of non-native players in any particular world/DC, more or less that there's a cap on the number of visitors allowed at any given time. Hence why Aether tends to be completely inaccessible to outsiders during peak hours like afternoons/evenings. 20-60 alts from outside would most certainly be affecting it then in that case. But Daralii mentioned that not being the case, and if so then I agree, nothing really should be done about these guys no matter how annoying they are or aren't to anyone.

[zeopower6]

I wouldn't waste your time talking to that Anone person anymore. I'm pretty sure they are also a botter type from things I saw in Diadem/Firmament.

But the congestion thing is affected by simultaneous log ins, yeah. So if Leviathan were to get the "restricted" type of Congested status which all of Aether has, it would affect things. However, free trial accounts are not priority so they would get either disconnected or not have priority if someone who has a paid sub is trying to log in. I don't think they've ever had this sort of issue before with someone trying to 'take up space' in this manner before.

[SkankyRoe]

I have no beef with you personally. Just the idea/argument that idling characters have any material impact on congestion, causing a negative impact on player experiences. The "congestion" "feature" was added after Endwalker's launch because the decades old infrastructure melts into cascading failures when too many people try to log on at once. The "congestion queues" are largely fake anyway - what's really happening is they process logins in pulses so it's less of a position in a queue and more of an arbitrary timer.

I just didn't take kindly to the indirect comments about me, they felt very personal attack-ish and were very assumptive. I don't complain for the sake of it, if I didn't genuinely enjoy this game for the most part I'd just unsub and be done with it rather than sticking around being unhappy.

As for these weeb police eyesores(ironic word choice coming from someone who usually LOVES seeing lots of broes in one place) they were cluttering up Malboro before DT so I personally experienced them on my own world. But at that time, it was simply that: an annoyance, one that other people apparently were entertained by so it was fine. My issue stemmed from the congestion shit added in DT, which yes it is largely artificial but still an actual thing, and the way it's always been presented leaned toward these guys exacerbating the issue. If that truly isn't the case, then yes, nothing should be done with them unless they are breaking any rules(I dunno if they are)

[Thurmnmurmn]

I'm convinced the congestion issue stems by the player cap being a percentage based system instead of a flat number. So if a certain worlds reaches 10% player base (just an example), then it becomes congested.
This is entirely a theory with 0 evidence to back it up other that it makes no sense for us to have as much if not more congested worlds than SHB when the population has decreased a good amount.

But I'm on board with those saying that this isn't actually harmful. The argument that it can sour a new players experience is entirely subjective and can just as easily make a new players day.

[Kuroka]

Im sorry but "doesnt do harm" does not equal "we gotta accept it"... And everyone coming with "prove he bots!" ill only say... ok, prove how you make 50 accounts per hour and log em all at once.

[Thurmnmurmn]

Im sorry but "doesnt do harm" does not equal "we gotta accept it"... And everyone coming with "prove he bots!" ill only say... ok, prove how you make 50 accounts per hour and log em all at once.

Someone else in this thread did explain that it's not just one person doing it but multiple.
Clearly the weeaboo police has been recruiting lately