Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Supersnow845]

Hold square enix accountable absolutely. But until then your choice is play with the systems of the game, and dint be so arrogant as to assume your need to clear out make better progress NOW, it's more important than someone else's desire to see as much of the fight as possible and make the best of it.
Your such with the system as it is.
If the hand lets them in they are supposed to be there, and your are expected to play collaboratively within the spirit of the ToS.
Or go play another game if that's not good enough. Which i fully sympathise is probably not.
But you don't get to make people feel shitty and manipulate them into thinking they have no real right to be in place that they DO.
Manipulative, selfish, sociopathic BS.
And no it's not selfish to want to play the a bit of the game with ToS, as opposed to how it is selfish to redirect to get to play 'all' the game at the expense of others being left with nothing.
Just go play another game or complain to SE, but don't manipulate your fellow paying players.

You can’t force other people to play with you under threat of the TOS. They are well within their right to simply leave if they don’t want you there. There are many instances open and anyone is welcome to attempt to start a forked run in any instance, you aren’t entitled to other people’s time if they don’t want to run with you. They can’t actually grief you but they don’t have to actively engage with you either and it’s not manipulating or anything of the sort to simply decide you don’t want to deal with said people

Then blame SE not the players. What you are doing is just shifting blame to randoms making use of an entrance system that spawns in their instance. That is what I call gatekeeping. Discord is a third party tool and should not be forced upon people. Which is exactly what these groups are doing. Join the discord, or gtfo of our instance. Meanwhile acting like the thing is well designed and creating a false image of the huge problem with this design, cause they literally own the content.

Literally nobody is saying this is well designed entry system. The discords are trying to make it work in the only way they can make it work, because if 48 random people step onto the platform and open the portal then they will achieve nothing inside

The discords aren’t devious Mafia rings laughing they get to “control” the content, they are trying to clear it the only way that’s viable to clear it

[itachi-otsutsuki]

You can’t force other people to play with you under threat of the TOS. They are well within their right to simply leave if they don’t want you there. There are many instances open and anyone is welcome to attempt to start a forked run in any instance, you aren’t entitled to other people’s time if they don’t want to run with you. They can’t actually grief you but they don’t have to actively engage with you either and it’s not manipulating or anything of the sort to simply decide you don’t want to deal with said people



Literally nobody is saying this is well designed entry system. The discords are trying to make it work in the only way they can make it work, because if 48 random people step onto the platform and open the portal then they will achieve nothing inside

The discords aren’t devious Mafia rings laughing they get to “control” the content, they are trying to clear it the only way that’s viable to clear it

Nah, they are laughing. And I've talked to some of their 'leaders'. They're some of the most elitist pricks I have ever met. And the whole environment cultivates that attitude so OP's experience is probably extremely common.

[Supersnow845]

Nah, they are laughing. And I've talked to some of their 'leaders'. They're some of the most elitist pricks I have ever met. And the whole environment cultivates that attitude so OP's experience is probably extremely common.

The fact you use the term “leader” to imply some kind of ring of control rather than it just being a colloquial term for party organiser shows if you have ever looked into any of these discords you basically just looked at like 2 lines decided it was easier to just declare they aligned with your preconceived notions of them and then left

The discords are more annoyed they don’t have more control over getting into the same damn instance than they are “laughing” they have some sort of control over forked.

Cause they can and have? The only way to organize anything is through their servers.

Literally no it’s not, shout in OC when auroral mirages comes up. Why do you need the discords to organise something

[itachi-otsutsuki]

The fact you use the term “leader” to imply some kind of ring of control rather than it just being a colloquial term for party organiser shows if you have ever looked into any of these discords you basically just looked at like 2 lines decided it was easier to just declare they aligned with your preconceived notions of them and then left

The discords are more annoyed they don’t have more control over getting into the same damn instance than they are “laughing” they have some sort of control over forked.



Literally no it’s not, shout in OC when auroral mirages comes up. Why do you need the discords to organise something

It is impossible to rally 48 people in a 72 casual player instance to do a savage raid. Hence there should just be a PF alliance queue in option like with DRS and Chaotic.
I am not saying the discords are entirely to blame for creating this environment , although many of them seem to revel in it. That's just a toxic player-ego issue.
But it has effectively lead to a monopolization because of the impracticality of organizing anything inside the game itself. It is just completely failed content.

[Supersnow845]

It is impossible to rally 48 people in a 72 casual player instance to do a savage raid. Hence there should just be a PF alliance queue in option like with DRS and Chaotic.
I am not saying the discords are entirely to blame for creating this environment , although many of them seem to revel in it. That's just a toxic player-ego issue.
But it has effectively lead to a monopolization because of the impracticality of organizing anything inside the game itself. It is just completely failed content.

We 100% agree this is only possible to do via discord organisation in a practical sense

That doesn’t mean it’s the discords fault it’s like this nor are they the problem or some kind of boogeyman, they are doing the best with what they have because of squares awful design decisions. I think it’s rather pointless demonising the discords over this

[itachi-otsutsuki]

We 100% agree this is only possible to do via discord organisation in a practical sense

That doesn’t mean it’s the discords fault it’s like this nor are they the problem or some kind of boogeyman, they are doing the best with what they have because of squares awful design decisions. I think it’s rather pointless demonising the discords over this

Overall you are probably right, the root cause is SE for some incomprehensible reason choosing a janky 10 year old eureka entry method for a savage alliance raid.

I just despise the toxicity this is breeding towards casuals-randoms who are referred to as snipers. And that is a choice in part by the people who run these discord groups. It is an entirely expected outcome, but I still don't approve of their behavior.

[OdinelStarrei]

Overall you are probably right, the root cause is SE for some incomprehensible reason choosing a janky 10 year old eureka entry method for a savage alliance raid.

I just despise the toxicity this is breeding towards casuals-randoms who are referred to as snipers. And that is a choice in part by the people who run these discord groups. It is an entirely expected outcome, but I still don't approve of their behavior.

The toxicity is a two way street.

What would you rather be called?

A "sniper" in a video game?
Or a manipulative, selfish, sociopath?

One of those is worse than the other.

And at the neverending tug of war, who is watching, and not saying a single word?

Square Enix, and the development staff.

Perchance, have you seen that JP post where someone did get in to a fairly large instance, sprinted forward and pulled the boss, and then yanked all 40+ people in a boss room with no waymarkers, no discussion, no planning, intentionally so that all those people who used ciphers, nevermind spent their evenings preparing to go in, had their raid destroyed?

That's pretty bad.