Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I have a question on the matter of "you can't expect to be raised".

I know it requires Chemist or Heal LB3 to be raised, but how exactly is the restriction in Forked Tower? Does the Chemist raise turn into a charged action when in Forked tower or is there stacks of a buff on how many raises you can accept?

If its the latter, wouldnt a Chemist Raise "only" cost them two GCDs of damage of a single person? Because trying to resurrect them tends to lead to a higher net in damage than losing out on two GCDs, assuming no critical timing - at least thats how I understand it.

If its about resolving a specific mechanic, Id leave them dead until that mechanic is resolved if I was that worried about it.

[Daralii]

If SE catered to raiders, the jobs wouldn't be this braindead. I'm a bad player myself, but everyone can read a guide and join a discord without actively sabotaging players.

Also, I figured out how to upvote on mobile.

Since ciphers get refunded if you leave instance, if this sniping behavior continues and people like OP keep ignoring the polite pointers in /say, people will just straight up start leaving instance immediately when they see unresponsive or intentionally sniping players, or have everyone bring 3 ciphers minimum.

As per the lead battle content designer, the jobs are braindead because it leaves fewer things to consider when designing high end fights. The 2-minute meta became the 2-minute rule so that they could have a singular damage profile to design around, BLM got lobotomized because they wanted to make the choreography faster and there was no room for frequent long casts, etc. CS3 is weirdly proud of the fact that they're resting on their laurels when it comes to XIV, so they're very open about it.

[0blivion]

@Reinhardt_Azureheim:

1. Healer LB3 doesn't work.

2. You have a stack of times you can be revived, it's 3.

3. Hallways and bridges can wipe you if you take a person who didn't read a guide and sniped a spot. Boss 1, if they get the meteor side jumpy stack, also can kill a bunch of people, which reduces their raise stacks through no fault of their own. Boss 2, any mistakes on snowballs onwards will be a wipe.

4. Boss 3, not knowing mechs means you'll cleave the entire party, giving them a stack of thrice-come-ruin or worse, killing them.

5. A wipe sends you back to the start of South Horn, not tower. A wipe means wasting around an hour of 47 people's time because you chose to not prepare or cooperate, instead removing someone who actually knows what they're doing from the equation.

[Infindox]

Ah a thread just showcasing why the raid was a stupid idea to begin with in the state it's in!
I don't think you're entirely in the wrong, OP, but neither was the Discord group. The fault entirely lies in the dev team on this one (don't even need to explain why just go to the various topics on this).

[Xieldras]

The comments in this thread just show how elitist the content continues to become. As a player of 12+ years, FFXIV moving to cater to raiders and high-end content players has created a real problem with content basically being inaccessible to anyone who isn't willing to jump through hoops.

This 100%.

I also find it hilarious yet not unexpected that the community would bully other players for not being in their group, then turn around and call themselves most welcoming.

What if someone doesn't have Discord and doesn't want it? Why would they require a 3rd-party application to be able to clear game content? We have parties attempting to monopolize the tower, repeating ad nauseam "you need to join this platform to participate", and I'm supposed to support that? Especially when we add in the frankly shameful behavior that's been reported from these pre-mades?

You don't "own" a piece of free-for-all content. Get over yourselves.

In the end though, the blame lay fully on Square-E's feet. They had good entry systems still in the game's code, that they outright ignored and dumped for this mess. Not only that, but the limitations within the tower are ridiculous and only help with the teeth-gnashing between lone players and groups.

Hearing the whole schtick with the Forked Tower doesn't make me want to try it at all, it simply makes me skip this content entirely.

@Reinhardt_Azureheim:
5. A wipe sends you back to the start of South Horn, not tower. A wipe means wasting around an hour of 47 people's time because you chose to not prepare or cooperate, instead removing someone who actually knows what they're doing from the equation.

You know, there's this thing in the game called the "party chat". I can understand it being annoying at times, but it's a very effective communication tool that could, perhaps, help coordinate your group with the random people so that you're all on the same page. Most entering the tower without pre-mades are, I imagine, open to learning and helping out and not just there to grief your group.

[Atreus]

You shouldn't be harassed, but I'm 1000% apprehensive over this story. Where are the screenshots of the supposed insults? How exactly, in a group of 48, were they able to isolate you in particular and kill you with a tank buster? I'm betting you were in the wrong place, which is exactly what they were trying to communicate to you before entering, and yet you sniped anyway. Were you just trying to set up this horrible experience so you can tell everyone on the forums?

We get it. SE designed a terrible situation, but groups are trying to make the best of it. If I had it my way, groups would just boycott the content altogether, but in no shape or form should you people be intentionally throwing wrenches in their efforts. They communicated to you and you ignored it. The fault is yours. Call it public content all you want, but it simply isn't pug content.

snippity snip

This is wildly unhinged. Take a deep breath and reflect.

[Anonemoose]

Gatekeeping content within Discord cliques and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Just say no. These cliques cannot exist without your submission.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

Here’s the thing

You shouldn’t have been assassinated or laughed at or whatever

But they aren’t wrong. They aren’t “monopolising” content. With the design of forked you essentially are dead weight here and getting in the way of what they likely organised as tight groups that had the necessary jobs. The idea of monopolising seems to imply that if they weren’t blocking you out then other people would get to join, but it’s not that way, it’s either they try to organise it themselves or nobody does it; because it isn’t puggable

Like they were rude but they weren’t wrong. Plus if they are a static they want to queue together, they don’t want to initiate randoms, that isn’t wrong either

Sorry bub, but they are absolutely monopolizing it. Yes the root cause is SE's shit design but don't say they aren't doing what they are doing lol.

[Supersnow845]

Sorry bub, but they are absolutely monopolizing it. Yes the root cause is SE's shit design but don't say they aren't doing what they are doing lol.

There is 1039601968275 other instances up at any one time with enough people to spawn auroral mirages. If this content worked like square intended then you could enter any of those instances and call out “hey guys let’s do forked” and get a group going. But that never works because the content isn’t designed like that

Having one instance that an organised group got into by chance ask people politely to let them enter is not monopolising because you can hop instances in 0.5 seconds and find another one with auroral mirages up.

Nobody is seeking out people trying to organise forked groups “organically” and trying to stop that formation. People would just prefer if an organised group is present in that instance only they should be allowed to enter as that group.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

Hello everyone,

I’d like to share an experience I recently had in the Forked Tower instance, to raise awareness of behaviors that we hope are rare exceptions.

A friend and I joined the public queue to discover the raid, with no intention of disrupting anyone. The mood was light-hearted, and we were genuinely enjoying the experience.
We successfully cleared the initial corridors and the first boss — yay!

Unfortunately, even before entering the instance, some players started insulting us in chat, pointing at us with emotes, and warning us that they would let us die — simply because we weren’t part of their private raid group.



And indeed, during the second boss, I was intentionally killed by a tank who moved into me during the tank buster.
We waited just in case someone would raise us after the boss, but at the end, players simply ignored us and even jumped on our corpses.

The issue with these groups — in our case, apparently led by a streamer named Rinon Inanna — is that they regularly attempt to monopolize public instances, rejecting or harassing anyone who isn’t part of their community.

Let me be clear: we’re not here to stir up drama or start fights.
This post is not meant to spread hate, but rather to encourage respect for public content — which is open to everyone.

Forked Tower was designed to be shared and cooperative.
No community — even a well-organized one — should try to privatize it or push out other players who join through Square Enix’s official matchmaking system like anyone else.

Thanks to those who read through, and enjoy your adventures out there! ✨

I agree with some of the above replies. PLEASE report them and get them banned. That'll show them to either complain about the FT entry system like the rest of us or STFU and help out any randoms that queue in like they're suppose to.
At the moment we have a situation where these premades monopolizing the content are having a field day while everyone else suffers and SE does nothing about it.