Can I ask why Creative Business Unit 3 are radio silent on the issue of Forked Tower?

[Astronema]

It's already 100% gatekept at this point, you literally can not make this up. And you can't even get into a run via discord cause of all the jank and effort it requires to 'host' a run from outside of the game. The demand is greater than the amount of runs that are hosted. It's a complete and utter disastrous mess.

Cartels gonna cartel. So surprising. The devs should name certain player groups as official agents.

[Stasya]

Cause they suck? There is no reason to believe they give a shit since the raid got the streamer attention they wanted. Just assume the content is dead for you, forever at this point.

It's kinda funny, they make zone itself braindead boring grind but at least raid is sort of "fine".

Yet some moron dev insisted on BA style entering raid. REEEEE BOZJA BAD I DONT LIKE THAT PEOPLE CAN DO DRS AS GROUP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU FOOLS WE CAN ENTER FT ON DEV SERVER THROUGH PORTAL NO ISSUES SO DUMB PLAYERS SHOULD DO THE SAME REEEEEEEEE

[itachi-otsutsuki]

I had a revelation the other day, and I'm just going to copy paste my other post.

They make Chaotic. There is considerable backlash. Maybe even huge.
Then they make another instance like Chaotic, but now they make REALLY sure casuals don't stand a chance of even getting in without involvement in a discord that only experienced hardcore players will be able to get approved to.
I too have been sitting here going, "what were they thinking?"

However, I now realise they knew 'exactly' what they were thinking. These people just aren't stupid. They are not.
We know they aren't stupid.
So the only thing that remains is it's deliberate.

They were willfully caring only to seriously cater for high end. 'Every' indicator corroborates that but I just haven't wanted to think it.
They will have known what these actions will continue to do to the community and gaming demographic, and that is the point we need to take away.

Not rational financial sense? Since when have people been rational?
Yes there will be motivations, but those could be anyone's and anything.

What we have seen goes beyond accidental oversight.

It just does. They are 'not' stupid.

(Either that or one last option, which was they were trying to separate hardcore, from super hardcore, and educate them as to what it feels like to be a casual sitting on the sidelines watching everyone else have fun. But that would be stupid because it assumes that group have good empathy, and I'm not being snarky but that's just clearly not the case. This would be extra levels of ludicrous thinking.)

I agree. The whole thing has had too much work be put into it for it to not be deliberate. They knew of better options (DR,DRS,CLL,DAL) but chose this.

My guess is that putting FT in the casual farm instance makes it visible and fancy , even if no one can enter it. And if the streamer sweats can make a huge show out of it, apparently that's all they need.

[caffe_macchiato]

It's funny how, on the same day as our hotfix patch (and day-long maintenance), the other MMO (that you all thought was dead) is getting an entire slew of new dungeons and a new game mode. While we are still forced to FATE farm and deal with Discord circlejerks for the rest of the year.

Why does Square Enix Co., Ltd. never face any repercussions from its bad decision-making?

[AlucaDragonheart]

the other MMO (that you all thought was dead)

The only people who think it's dead are the same people who still think that game is in the same state that it was in 2020.

[Gurgeh]

... While we are still forced to FATE farm and deal with Discord circlejerks for the rest of the year.

Why does Square Enix Co., Ltd. never face any repercussions from its bad decision-making?

Oh I think it is. I think it really is.
To this layman, and doing huge amounts of speculation...

if you have a look at the organisation you will see that it is looks a lot like an organisation will have significant overheads.
The gaming industry is hyper competitive, especially lately. We are seeing US devs/publishers really struggling. The high quality low cost dev labour in China is and eastern Europe is means that devs that don't make use of this, just won't be able to compete. (Think Wukong)
All the time, we know that Japanese culture is one of cohesiveness, and frankly real loyalty, and decency, a valuing of what you have in the here and now (not the culture of corruption, and gangster mentality that tries to pass its self off as "loyalty" in the west) , but this massively limits their inclination to be adaptable and their experience with working while 'closely' integrated with other cultures. They are not cursed with having to speak good universal English because Hollywood is the only game in town.
I just can't think of any 'mega' successes that Square Enix have had. FFVII remakes did great I am sure, but it's still pretty niche.
It's clear that all their works are fairly high tier affairs, with significant budgets, and there have been a slew of mediocre meh's with quite a few expensive disasters.

A while back they made a number of expensive purchases of 'foreign' studios in the americas west which they then had to laster dump in a firesale I think. (I think the problem is that the Japanese are 'too' trusting, I've seen first hand when bought up western corporations just start indulging themselves following a Japanese acquisition and giving corporate group the run-around so that they can continue to indulge themselves) They have the right idea for long term health, but its like they are naive to mixture of psychopathic self interest and Western corruption/loyatly that you not uncommonly encounter in Western leadership and pervades western management, where there is little concept of the 'greater good' as an admirable value.

Then you have to consider that they are a publicly traded company, and the pressures that will put them under, particularly if they have among their goals a desire to remain a Japanese company. One which I admire. Everyone should take pride in their own worth for what they are without having to measure that worth. Im a fan of tradition, as long as people don't demean those that break with it.
I think the problem is that actually the genes industry is massively overvalued. Unless you are doing mobile gambling addiction gatcha, or sports games like FIFA, (which I'd almost argue aren't 'games' at all) it is high risk, and so low aggregate return. At that point any game dev that goes public is immediately made almost incompatible with it's industry. Public is all about 'competitive' 'investment' 'growth'. A public company has to be a good place to save your money with a competitive interest rate.

And if we look at FFXIV, and it's massive sub base something is not adding up.
I'm worried that SE haven't raised the sub cost much in recent years. Back just after ShB they could have done. If they did so now there should rightly be outrage.

Honestly I'm worried that SE is going to turn out to be another Olypus. If I thought the workld at large read these forums I wouldn't post that last bit. Because it makes me sad, as SE used to do my kind of games before they became obsessed with action games.

(What happened to Visions of Mana's marketing, and Oaka studios, was a tragic waste. Meanwhile look at the support XVI got when they put their mind to it)

(Also, yes to discord circlejerks. I'd be happy to join discords if they were subject to XIVs ToS and the full gamut of XIV sanctions, but they aren't)

[Kranel_San]

The only people who think it's dead are the same people who still think that game is in the same state that it was in 2020.

Realistically speaking, it's doing much better than it did years ago. I'm already considering going back.

At least the devs there nowadays attempt to make something refreshing regarding every content they have from what I hear. I wish SE could learn from this.

[AvoSturmfaust]

I wrote it right now in another thread and i write it here again

I dont think Forked was meant to be cleared with a random queue and they deceided from the start they want it to be organized because like i said, i dont see it happen that a random queue clears that thing
they only really messed up with the 74 player limit on each instance

[xbahax92]

CBU3: 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

[CCheshire]

You could ask the same about a lot of issues we've had. Unfortunately, there's no community manager actively addressing concerns on the forums, and the Live Letters tend to only feature cherry-picked questions and feedback. It took a serious issue like the stalking plugin, which involved the IRL privacy of the game's subscribers, for them to respond early and have Yoshi-P posting here — even then, the 8-month "fix" was bypassed within a few days.

We never know if they'll stay silent on a problem or address it a year later. Both options are bad for the game and there is really no middle ground.

Honestly, we'll never know the real answers to some of the most popular questions b/c this is how SE handled it. For example, anything from lack of viera/hroth hats to like why the entry process in FT is so stressful, and that will remain a mystery. Also, I've watched old fanfest YT, and Yoshi P is very adept at side-stepping questions he'd just rather not reply beyond: I'll think about it, maybe.