The Atma Complaint: Length of Time/Acquisition Rate vs. Long-term Investment

[Valence]

I'll give you one thing though. They feel 1000% less obnoxious than the DDR fiestas that are CEs. I'd love if they weren't all boring bosses though, but that's a thing that I cannot take from them.
Would also probably feel better if they didn't have the full instance zerging them over since everything is designed to spawn one at a time to make sure everybody can get there until the next thing spawns on the map.

[Voidmage]

Where can I participate in such fates when they die within 5s every time?

By doing them when others do CE’s.
Believe me, I also hate the rushing of these fates and wish they had a safeguard against that.
That’s actually a criticism I also give in this regard, that the old fate design doesn’t fit into the modern “culture” of the players anymore who rush and rush everything.

I am pretty sure the rushing will also tune down a bit when the more rushing players get done and leave the content.

I am just against disregarding these fates as “no content” just because someone doesn’t like fates.
It’s that type of obscure and generalizing feedback that got us EW relics in the first place. (And that is what I am scared of)
Fates like these with fun mechanics themselves are good.
The way they are implemented has room for improvement though.

Sorry to rain on your parade but those "Fates" in the Crescent die within 15-30 seconds or less of spawning. Fates as a concept of being content is getting old and hasn't been improved on throughout the years.

See my above reply.
Fates as a concept are fine (and especially these with good mechanics) but I agree that their implementation is not up to date.

[Voidmage]

Sorry, but you're not going to force people to choke down something they don't like, and if it gets bad enough to make some people disengage with and criticize the content, that's on Square-Enix for designing it that way.

Personally I have no desire to ever do Occult Crescent because nothing about it sounds fun or appealing, least of all the FATE farming and RNG, and it's not my fault that I don't enjoy those things.

I am not forcing anyone here.
Come down of your high horse.
I am not holding a gun to your head and say “like the fates”.

Just because you don’t enjoy fates doesn’t mean they are badly designed in themselves.
Me and others enjoying them already disproves that notion.
It’s all a simple matter of taste.

Here again for those who are still unable to understand what I am saying:
You not liking something doesn’t mean it is bad.

[VeyaAkemi]

Having now finished the Demiatma step, my sole issue with it is how unbalanced the Atmas are in themselves, specifically as I mentioned in another thread, Verdigris is by far the rarest, and unless someone has a very lob-sided RNG pattern, which entirely possible, it will become a bottleneck, perhaps something could be done, like either give this specific Demiatma a boosted drop rate, but that's about it.

[MitsukiKimura]

Just because you don’t enjoy fates doesn’t mean they are badly designed in themselves.
Me and others enjoying them already disproves that notion.
It’s all a simple matter of taste.

That's a bit hypocritical thing to say. I could say just because you and some others enjoy them doesn't mean they are designed well.

[Voidmage]

That's a bit hypocritical thing to say. I could say just because you and some others enjoy them doesn't mean they are designed well.

And I would agree with that given that I already wrote that the concept of fates has certainly much needed room for improvement.

I like the fates in that zone themselves (mechanics, fight design).
I can understand why people don’t like fates as they are BUT I disagree to brush them off as being no content or that I try to force people into liking them.

It’s honestly as if this whole forum is against the notion that people can like content as it is sometimes.
And I absolutely do not hide my disdain for how DT was to this point.


I already wrote it somewhere else in the past.
I criticism the devs if there are things to criticize and I give them praise if I think they did good work.
That is all my opinion though, not a fact, not a neutral stance (I like field zones in themselves arlready) nor am I infailable.
I am just someone who likes this content and I am seriously annoyed in people putting words in my mouth (me forcing something).

So now we arrive at the problem that's plagued this game for years; Every expansion/patch seems tailored made to make sure someone gets screwed over and potentially ends up with nothing, or worse, they're made to do content they hate just to get the one thing they wanted.

That’s reality though. You can never make everyone happy.
We all knew beforehand what the field zone would be like and that we would get a grind back.
You are not bared from obtaining the relics just because you don’t like the fates.
You are not forced to do anything.
If to detest a gameplay aspect so much then don’t do it. Simple as that.
I also hate fishing but I just don’t do it.

Also again. I already wrote that I see improvement for the fatedesign…


Man I knew it was a mistake to post in the forums again.

[Ankhira]

What I meant is when it is still the FOM contents, there are many players in the instant and searching for party is not hard and the fight will be fast. Once the hype cool down it is not impossible to do but either PF, find someone from FC/friend to help. in PF usually could get a small party on weekend, Bozja usually fill up faster, Eureka so far in PF need some luck, with DC travel the matter get worse.
When Bozja was still flesh content, i have my 2nd relic and clear the story in about a month or 2. Eureka, I return when ShB was a month away, and I am currently still stuck in first island XD.

other route would be finding help from FC, can say it is more a "me" problem. I have some help with FC friends at the begining in Eureka but knowing they already done the whole Eureka + my online time isnt fix everyday. I feel I could not repaid their kindness, so I tend to PF or shout in the map.

may be FOMO is the wrong word, it is like any content when it first come out getting it done will be quick and painless. When the "best before date" expire, players have less or no incentive to return or rerun those content. I remember back in ARR before daily roulette is a thing, the 3 Alliance Raid could get over 2 hrs queue and still not able to popped.

I understand what you mean now yeah, I get it! Thanks for explaining, I think thats a fair and valid feeling, I think you're right that SE often misses that point for people that can't rush and spam the new content due to other commitments

[Nero-Voidstails]

Stop using that term just because someone else has better luck than you

white knight and honestly if you can't understand how upsetting that can be then you are probably super lucky in this game but whatever I am done with white knights (:

[Thurmnmurmn]

white knight and honestly if you can't understand how upsetting that can be then you are probably super lucky in this game but whatever I am done with white knights (:

It's RNG. There's always going to be someone with more luck then you. Comparing your progress to others will do nothing but upset you.
It's like getting pissed that someone got an ex mount before the 99 totems. Overall, it's pointless since it doesn't change your grind.
You can be upset about it being RNG. I ain't going to stop you. Heck, I even agree that the drop rates are a bit low. But when you compare and get upset, that's on you.

[Ardeth]

One thing I've learned from short-sided rng grind bullshit is never compare yourself to someone else. It will only make you feel worse and make you want to quit. It's not your fault the developers are incompetent morons.

They will nerf it because of the mountain of feedback I've seen on just about every social media platform I use. There's no way this will go into the next step unaltered and if does it's just more incompetence from them. And at that point, they deserve the lost revenue from lapsing subscriptions. But unfortunately, this game has a boatload of shills who buy everything Square-Enix touches so it might go unnoticed, but I will say I've never seen this much anger in a system since the original atmas. You'd think they would've learned the last time...