The Atma Complaint: Length of Time/Acquisition Rate vs. Long-term Investment

[Supersnow845]

My friend is about to hit level 20 in the new zone and just got his first atma drop. Seriously.

That’s not particularly odd. Knowledge level is designed to be maxed very very quickly

[Supersnow845]

I do wonder where this "go play something else" crowd thinks the game is going to end up if the player count keeps plummeting and the "return spikes" keep getting smaller and smaller.

The 7.2 patch series was already "make or break" for a lot of people this expansion, where Cosmic Exploration and Occult Crescent have had a mixed reception at best.

I think mixed reception for OC is selling it a bit short, the only thing people seem to have any problem with is the relic atma RNG and that’s not really OC itself that’s the relic

As for OC itself that I wouldn’t say has mixed reception

cosmic is definitely more towards mixed though

[Khryseis_Astra]

I think mixed reception for OC is selling it a bit short, the only thing people seem to have any problem with is the relic atma RNG and that’s not really OC itself that’s the relic

As for OC itself that I wouldn’t say has mixed reception

cosmic is definitely more towards mixed though

Yes atma RNG is literally my only frustration. I love the zone, I love the lore, I love the phantom jobs, the rewards in the shops are excellent, the rewards from the chest are also good, from rare items to low drop rate retainer venture items. The gear, both zone and glam, is well designed, and they made the glam all classes which is a huge plus when the zones in the past only gave role-locked gear. I love everything about OC except the atma RNG.

[Nighthawky2010]

I don't appreciate content that doesn't respect my time. I have other games to enjoy than play this one for six hours and make 0 progress toward the relic.

I totally agree with you. It was like 2 hours one day, I got 2 atmas & today for 1 hour and a half, I got 1. That is totally ridiculous. So after you get 18 atmas, then fork over 1500 uncapped tomestones. The RNG sucks. No one was doing fates in OC that I saw.

[Skyclaw726]

dude you don't get I don't you? when you start seeing all your friend getting relic and having put less time into it it's shit and I have to evoid a full zone because I have 3 from one like it should have at least a atma trader for the one you have and can't use but true gonna white knight

I'm sure if you submit a ticket to SE explaining that you are feeling left out from the new shiny that they'll just hand it to you.

[Doomed_Raven]

I can't speak for this new content, by I'm doing a 2nd ARR zodiac relic (Thyrus I think it's called for WHM).

It was quite painful getting ATMA. I was doing 25-30 FATEs and getting nothing for near all of them. I think only one or two came after 5-7 FATEs. After 25-30 FATEs I'd just turn the game off and play something else. So if this is the same in new content, it won't be fun.

[MitsukiKimura]

That’s not particularly odd. Knowledge level is designed to be maxed very very quickly

I mean if you're almost level 20 without even obtaining one atma through fates and CE's then that's a bit concerning honestly

[Voidmage]

Why can't people comprehend nobody is complaining about the LENGTH of the grind but rather how ambigious it is to progress it? There are people who have been at it non-stop since release who barely have half the atma they need and some who have gotten their relic in one day. We WANT a long grind but one that we can see actual progress on that isn't dependent on complete luck. RNG is fine but to this degree it is just annoying.

Oh I understand what you all mean but disagree nonetheless because the grind is really almost nothing compared to other games.
It’s a few days after release and I also don’t have my weapon yet but so what?
I enjoy the fates and ce and am happy when I get a drop and because of this I am now only 4 more from the goal away.

So what if others got it in one day?
What if some streamers with no life flash it I front of the screen?
Why compare to others when this whole thing is not a race in the first place?
Why not just have fun in this content and take the drops as they come?



Stop comparing to other people. This relic isn’t a race and all you will achieve is an over correction from SE again back to the “day 1 relic”.

The only thing I can agree with is that there should be a way to exchange atma for others or a pity system.
Other than that I think the amount of atma we need isn’t big enough even.

I understand WHY some people don’t like the rng but you know, some of us DO like it!
So all those threads here crying about the removal of it will just result in us loosing out on content.
It’s a one time step and I am sure the normal grind will come back in future steps so just do it ONE SINGLE TIME and be done with it.
The world won’t end because some of you needed two weeks instead of one to get the relic and it’s simple math also.
You will have bad runs where nothing drops and then ones where you get 2-3 in a row.

It’s the fear of overcorrecting everything again as to why you see the defensive backlash here.

[MitsukiKimura]

Oh I understand what you all mean but disagree nonetheless because the grind is really almost nothing compared to other games.
It’s a few days after release and I also don’t have my weapon yet but so what?
I enjoy the fates and ce and am happy when I get a drop and because of this I am now only 4 more from the goal away.

So what if others got it in one day?
What if some streamers with no life flash it I front of the screen?
Why compare to others when this whole thing is not a race in the first place?
Why not just have fun in this content and take the drops as they come?



Stop comparing to other people. This relic isn’t a race and all you will achieve is an over correction from SE again back to the “day 1 relic”.

The only thing I can agree with is that there should be a way to exchange atma for others or a pity system.
Other than that I think the amount of atma we need isn’t big enough even.

I understand WHY some people don’t like the rng but you know, some of us DO like it!
So all those threads here crying about the removal of it will just result in us loosing out on content.
It’s a one time step and I am sure the normal grind will come back in future steps so just do it ONE SINGLE TIME and be done with it.
The world won’t end because some of you needed two weeks instead of one to get the relic and it’s simple math also.
You will have bad runs where nothing drops and then ones where you get 2-3 in a row.

Spamming fates isn't really considered content. It's become repetitive to where we're all just used to it.

[Absurdity]

The rng is probably what annoys most. The grind itself is fine, relics taking a while to acquire is fine, it's what we wanted after all.
What quickly turns opinions sour is when you feel like you wasted your time.

It might've been better if they made the drop rate almost guaranteed but instead increased the amount you needed.
Then you can at least roughly guess how long it is going to take and make steady progress, instead of some people getting it in 8 hours while others need to spend days.