The Atma Complaint: Length of Time/Acquisition Rate vs. Long-term Investment

[xbahax92]

My main complaint is that their takeaway will once again be the same: "Oh, you dont like open field explorations? Ok we don't do those again"

[Khryseis_Astra]

There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn’t have a long-term investment for relic.

Bozja Relic was seen as the best way, given you could participate in Field Operations or go FATE grind in other Areas(which is also beneficial since you farm up FATEs for Shared FATE now with the relic’s target being Dawntrail areas).

I don’t mind grinding. I spent 6 hours a night for 2 weeks in Cosmic just to get a fancy title before OC dropped. The RNG is the issue, and it IS a problem.

It’s the same as Bozja, and that’s definitely not what I would consider the gold standard, as it had the same problem. Fates in or out of zone, but the thing you need may or may not drop. If they even made it so the drop rate was guaranteed in-zone, I’d be satisfied, because I really don’t want to leave the zone to do outside fates, but time-wise that’s probably the more efficient route to go.

As I’ve said elsewhere, imho Eureka was the better relic system. Fates gave a certain amount of crystals, guaranteed so long as you were there to participate for the entire fate and succeeded, you knew how many you needed to get to the next step and could plan your time accordingly. But most importantly, you could see real progress towards your goal!

That’s the biggest reason this feels bad, and it was the same for Bozja. At least this time I actually love the zone and its storyline, and the other rewards are definitely my style. But I’ve been in there for 2 8-hour sessions now. Got nothing at all the first night, got 5 the next. Going into Eureka, I know if I spend X amount of time, I’m coming out of there with at least something to show for my efforts. With Bozja or OC, it could take me 10 days, it could take me 10 weeks. It’s not the ability to grind harder that gets you the weapon faster, it’s luck. And I despise that. I want to grind. But I want to see results for it.

And for all the “it’s a one time step,” seeing the weapons at this point, unless they get better in later stages, the only one I really like is for my main anyway, so the “easier the second time around” is irrelevant to me.

[HyperiusUltima]

My main complaint is that their takeaway will once again be the same: "Oh, you dont like open field explorations? Ok we don't do those again"

I don’t think that’s going to be their takeaway. Also, I think I’m following what others are saying here. If I remember right, they did this back in Bozja by making you farm 20 of 3 different memories that weren’t guaranteed except by CEs(I think?). The fact that both FATEs and CEs are rapid-fired in an area make this a lot faster than having to wait for CEs for a guaranteed when you’ve been grinding FATEs for 30m.

Maybe they should make CEs guaranteed to help out a bit since we already have them spread out across the map since RNG Mitigation is pretty healthy.

[Fawkes]

It feels bad to put in effort and randomly not get the reward for a prolonged period of time. It's why a lot of games have pity systems / streak breakers. They aren't just doing it to be nice, they're doing it because it's bad psychology of design to make your players feel like their attempts don't matter. Some people are probably going to go 8 hours with no atma and then just give up on the content forever.

[Daralii]

I don’t think that’s going to be their takeaway. Also, I think I’m following what others are saying here. If I remember right, they did this back in Bozja by making you farm 20 of 3 different memories that weren’t guaranteed except by CEs(I think?). The fact that both FATEs and CEs are rapid-fired in an area make this a lot faster than having to wait for CEs for a guaranteed when you’ve been grinding FATEs for 30m.

Maybe they should make CEs guaranteed to help out a bit since we already have them spread out across the map since RNG Mitigation is pretty healthy.

I think the 3 initial types of memories could drop from mobs, FATEs(higher rate), and CEs(guaranteed). They could also drop from HW FATEs. It was a good formula that they could have just done again, but chose not to for some reason.

[Nero-Voidstails]

Well that’s what RNG is: Random Number Generation. A drop rate. Generally I’ve had times where I’ve sat around for 3h farming and didn’t get one, but just taking my time and playing with others in the instance is where my time goes. The Devs made a smart move to make the zones giving Atmas current expansion zones, since this not only helps people work towards another thing, it still rewards you compared to farming in old zones without Shared FATE.

Regardless, you’re going to be rolling the dice. Be glad this is a one-time task.

do you have your relic? because today is my third day and I didn't get a single atma do you think this is encouraging? I am now LV 17 and above average have the relic at LV 20 with two phantom job completed and I am still at 6 not even half way still

[Kozh]

do you have your relic? because today is my third day and I didn't get a single atma do you think this is encouraging? I am now LV 17 and above average have the relic at LV 20 with two phantom job completed and I am still at 6 not even half way still

We're not even a week into this patch, my god. No need to be that pessimistic.

[Nero-Voidstails]

We're not even a week into this patch, my god. No need to be that pessimistic.

dude you don't get I don't you? when you start seeing all your friend getting relic and having put less time into it it's shit and I have to evoid a full zone because I have 3 from one like it should have at least a atma trader for the one you have and can't use but true gonna white knight

[Nero-Voidstails]

but what piss me off is not to not have it but not even being half way done

[AmiableApkallu]

you'll always have this nagging feeling behind it all that your 8 hour session got you 3 atmas when another person got 6-7 because of luck

Actually, I won't have that feeling. This is not a race. I'm not competing with anyone. It matters not one whit whether someone gets their demiatmas before I do. (Or whether they get to Lv.20 before I do. Or unlock all the phantom jobs before I do. Or whatever.)