Occult Relic grind needs to change.

[Zakon]

To me the problem seems to be that you equate fun with progression. You need to have made it somewhere in that time before you feel you can enjoy yourself.

Sometimes, I'll just queue into the Trial roulette repeatedly. I don't get any significant reward beyond a little gil and maybe some tomes if Im lucky or not capped, but I'll do it anyway because I like the Trials, and I like playing the game.

For the relics, I'm planning on treating it like I do trying to catch all the big fish. I'll login occasionally, run some CE's or FATEs, maybe get some atmas, maybe not, then go do something else for a bit.
Maybe I'll explore the area to try and find any surveys I'm missing, maybe I'll go treasure hunting, maybe Ill go craft in cosmic exploration for a bit, or do some dailies. Whatever takes my fancy.

No. That is not what I said.

I enjoy all of those activities, but only in one of them am I not guaranteed to make progress towards my goals in them.

If I didn't like FF14, I wouldn't be playing it. But I need a reason to play it over something else I enjoy doing. I was looking forward to a new relic grind to give me a consistent, long-term goal to work towards. The problem is that the way they went about it, it's *not* consistent, it's random.

[Iyrnthota]

No. That is not what I said.

I enjoy all of those activities, but only in one of them am I not guaranteed to make progress towards my goals in them.

If I didn't like FF14, I wouldn't be playing it. But I need a reason to play it over something else I enjoy doing. I was looking forward to a new relic grind to give me a consistent, long-term goal to work towards. The problem is that the way they went about it, it's *not* consistent, it's random.

Respectfully that's not exactly very different. Like, you can't just play something cause you want to, even if it doesn't immediately net you anything?

And you know, it's no different from big fishing. There's no guarantee that you're gonna get the fish every time you try, but over time, you do it enough times, you get lucky and get the fish. Getting 5 in one month and 1 the next, you're still making progress the same rate. But hey, I guess I just look at it differently.

[Zakon]

Respectfully that's not exactly very different. Like, you can't just play something cause you want to, even if it doesn't immediately net you anything?

And you know, it's no different from big fishing. There's no guarantee that you're gonna get the fish every time you try, but over time, you do it enough times, you get lucky and get the fish. Getting 5 in one month and 1 the next, you're still making progress the same rate. But hey, I guess I just look at it differently.

I don't understand how this isn't making sense to you.

Let's just look at two of those options.

I enjoy Dead by Daylight and Final Fantasy XIV equally, they are two of my favorite games of all time.

I have limited time with which to play games, so I must now decide which of my favorite games I want to play.

In Dead by Daylight, I want to raise the Xenomorph to prestige 100 to show my love for the Alien franchise. In Final Fantasy XIV, I want to get a relic for my favorite job.

If I play Dead by Daylight, even if I play terribly and lose, I will still make progress towards my goal of reaching prestige level 100 with the Xenomorph.

If I play Final Fantasy XIV, even if I play well, I am not guaranteed to make progress towards my relic.

But they're different genres, so what if I just really feel like playing an RPG? Well I could play Final Fantasy XIV....

...or I could go start up Final Fantasy VII Remake which I've been meaning to play and get a fulfilling experience out of it, instead of grinding fates with no promise of working towards my goal.

Does it make sense now?

[Iyrnthota]

Does it make sense now?

I mean, frankly, no. But more in a "that's not how I work" kind of way.

I don't measure how valuable my free time is by how much I've achieved or progressed by the end. I value it by how much fun I've had.

I could play an RPG and gain 10 levels, or I could play some random casual multiplayer game and make no notable progress, but if I enjoyed the latter more, I value that time more.

My free time is for doing what I want to do, and what I want to do is have fun, not necessarily make number go up. I do enough of that at work.
Speaking of.

I only read the comments from you on this page, but holy do they scream "no work".

Then I would kindly suggest you get your hearing checked, because the screaming is not coming from me. I work a contracted 0900-17:30, 5 days a week, and every other week am on call 24/7.

[Zakon]

I mean, frankly, no. But more in a "that's not how I work" kind of way.

I don't measure how valuable my free time is by how much I've achieved or progressed by the end. I value it by how much fun I've had.

I could play an RPG and gain 10 levels, or I could play some random casual multiplayer game and make no notable progress, but if I enjoyed the latter more, I value that time more.

My free time is for doing what I want to do, and what I want to do is have fun, not necessarily make number go up. I do enough of that at work.
Speaking of.

You really don't understand that when given the option between two activities, both of which you find enjoyable, you would prefer to pick the one that is actually rewarding you for the time you spent on it?

[Shialan]

Respectfully that's not exactly very different. Like, you can't just play something cause you want to, even if it doesn't immediately net you anything?

And you know, it's no different from big fishing. There's no guarantee that you're gonna get the fish every time you try, but over time, you do it enough times, you get lucky and get the fish. Getting 5 in one month and 1 the next, you're still making progress the same rate. But hey, I guess I just look at it differently.

I only read the comments from you on this page, but holy do they scream "no work".