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    Player Bubblesong's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astronis View Post
    You want jobs to be engaging even while you're beating up on a dummy, right? So that fight design is something added on top and jobs are always engaging and fun. What games have you played that have that kind of gameplay, out of curiosity?
    thats not what I'm saying "encounters matter to a point its something to over come"


    ... let me put to you in simple terms since you cant follow me...


    Lets say we are sitting facing one another in real life infront of us is a board, we are playing chess togeather If I move the knight, you will look at how i moved and try to figure out the best strategy to take me out of the game, to kill my king in the game of chess following so far?

    Okay if you are you should realize that every move you make I will have to think of a counter move in order to prevent you from killing my king and checkmating me.

    This is why encounters (currently) do not matter the AI and or the devs do not want them to truely matter, their is only one set of motions a boss will ever use no matter where it is it will always use the same set pattern every time you encounter that enemy, that enemy has no reasoning and logic skills to counter the moves you make thus nothing you do will truely matter to that encounter, you can dps it to kill faster but that is all you can do, Esuna doesn't work on 99% of debuffs so that's pointless, stuns don't work on 99% of attacks. At the end of the day currently in every encounter your just fighting a real dummy and moving to a set pattern at higher levels and in different content the speed of those moves changes and reshapes but at the core every fight in the game funcations the same, because either the AI they are using for the fights sucks badly or they want it to suck badly.


    Encoutners don't matter because once you see it one time it becomes a set motion that your muscles are building memory for, they will always act the same no matter what your party does no matter what time of day or what jobs your playing that fight encounter will always follow the same dance routine like a ballet on stage it will never change for that fight, then comes along a diffrent ballet that will also never change forever and ever and ever, without a AI that allows an encounter to reshape its attacks movements and thought process to counter the party make up and can change on whim anytime any were it will never matter
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    Last edited by Bubblesong; 05-15-2025 at 10:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubblesong View Post
    thats not what I'm saying "encounters matter to a point its something to over come"
    I'm seeing you avoid answer questions that would pin anything down in any manner that could be acted on, so, I'll leave you to it and hope you find something else to play.
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    100% done, not putting up with any more insults.
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    Last edited by Astronis; 05-15-2025 at 11:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astronis View Post
    100% done, not putting up with any more insults.
    I have legit troubles to follow what your point actually was, but what the OP is replying to you (and I hope I got it right) is that the game doesn't challenge their intelligence the way they would like it did. It challenges motor and memory skills, which they find utterly boring (and I kind of agree, but that's a matter of tastes really). It doesn't challenge agency much, doesn't offer meaningful choices, doesn't engage intelligence, smart decisions, tactics, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    I have legit troubles to follow what your point actually was, but what the OP is replying to you (and I hope I got it right) is that the game doesn't challenge their intelligence the way they would like it did. It challenges motor and memory skills, which they find utterly boring (and I kind of agree, but that's a matter of tastes really). It doesn't challenge agency much, doesn't offer meaningful choices, doesn't engage intelligence, smart decisions, tactics, etc.
    Since it looks like the posts have been removed, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see the actual insults and abuse I'm no longer willing to put up with. All else is moot now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astronis View Post
    Since it looks like the posts have been removed, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see the actual insults and abuse I'm no longer willing to put up with. All else is moot now.
    I've seen it and that was not the point I was addressing, but okay I guess. Still no clue what your point was about however. Legitimately, I didn't understand, and that's why I asked if you could elaborate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    I've seen it and that was not the point I was addressing, but okay I guess. Still no clue what your point was about however. Legitimately, I didn't understand, and that's why I asked if you could elaborate.
    You quoted me saying I was 100% done because of the insults then tried to explain the OP to me, ignoring the insults. No, I will not reengage, I am 100% done because of the insults. No means no. This is the last time I will reply to you as well.
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