M6s in PF is the most miserable and unfun high end fight in the game

[justausername]

I sometimes wonder how much the reliance on PF itself is becoming a problem - in other words, we're reaching that point where it's becoming iffy if challenging content in FFXIV can continue to get more challenging within its constraints without just flat out requiring statics.

Which is its own problem because in most MMOs the solution to this is to simply acknowledge that pugging is not a great idea for the most part (except maybe for Mythic+ in WoW, but more on that in a moment). "Get a guild."

In XIV, though, the norm for years has been that you prove yourself in pugs before you get considered for a serious static, and FCs wield such weakened influence due to many factors like mega-Discords, housing (many would prefer to have a small personal FC for access to things like the workshop and because it is easier to get, ahem, "given" an FC than to get a house lately unless you're on a half-dead DC like Dynamis), and how SE chose to handle inter-server play (WoW eventually implemented near-seamless merges on everything, even guilds are cross realm in War Within, while SE requires active travel, making not only FCs weaker but that house on a half-dead DC a much harder sell), so guild groups aren't such a simple matter either.

But when the content starts becoming complicated enough that you need more coordination than you can reasonably expect of a pickup team, then what? It's no wonder people grasp at straws.

This is an issue throughout most MMOs (exhibit A: Lost Ark, which I love to dunk as "all the problems with grouping in WoW and FFXIV combined in a package with a nice little bow on top!")

The only real clear exception I've seen is Mythic+ and I'm guessing that cheats in several ways (outside of the affixes, no new mechanics, just steady numbers uptuning that is balanced out to a degree by steadier gearing; also the fact that rewards stop increasing long before you get near the actual limit of performance, neither of which is the case in XIV), much as its inspiration the Greater Rifts from Diablo 3 do.

Issue is there too. I have a guild. With my friends. I love playing 90% of content with them. But only one other guy savage raids. I'm not leaving a group of friends to a guild of people I don't know and only would play with a few hours a few days a week.
Guess I'll have to start looking for statics. Tho it's too late this tier and as a mch I'm screwed even tho I'm actually really quite decent on adds.

[JuicyHeals]

People who complain about Mch is entirely a skill issue. I've had no problem getting into groups as one and clearing the tier. To add anyone who's actually serious about raiding wouldn't disqualify you for being one

[brinn12]

While it could be played in NA, about 90% of JP PFs were banning MCH even in week 2, and even past M6S. Just a reminder that FFXIV is a global game. While it's true that many players were getting skill issued, the job is in serious need of AoE buffs. In PF, you play with random people and you don't know their level until you pull the boss. An under-average DNC would easily outperform an above-average MCH in this fight. You'd need a massive skill gap for that to change.

[Arohk]

While it could be played in NA, about 90% of JP PFs were banning MCH even in week 2,.

had a party with MCH and Ninja this week, big misake, never agan.

[Atreides]

had a party with MCH and Ninja this week, big misake, never agan.

Yeah those are currently the worst jobs for AoE, can it work? Of course it can but you're just much better off by default not playing/taking them. It's a sad state, I main MCH and I play a mad good MCH at that, but I can easily outperform my MCH on DNC in M6S because in this fight DNC is just THAT good.

[YukioKobayashi]

had a party with MCH and Ninja this week, big misake, never agan.

Surely the MCH was the problem and not the RDM playing poorly.

MCH has clear strengths in Addphase even over DNC.
Cleavedamage doesnt matter anymore at this point. A VPR can clear Mu's on its own with 2 "Enshrouds" already.

[JuicyHeals]

While it could be played in NA, about 90% of JP PFs were banning MCH even in week 2, and even past M6S. Just a reminder that FFXIV is a global game. While it's true that many players were getting skill issued, the job is in serious need of AoE buffs. In PF, you play with random people and you don't know their level until you pull the boss. An under-average DNC would easily outperform an above-average MCH in this fight. You'd need a massive skill gap for that to change.

That's a shame I wasn't aware JP was that harsh on MCH this tier. But I do agree while it can be done the Job does need some buffs.