The current state of Cosmic Exploration rewards cheaters

[Airget]

Hi everyone, Minor nitpick regarding the new DoH/DoL content here.

Normally these things come with a large amount of very expensive, exclusive items that cost a premium earned currency to buy. The prices of these are very high first, then crater and eventually stabilize some. Things like mounts, dyes, emotes, outfits, ect.

I went to sell a spare cosmosuit outfit I won and lo and behold the price cratered more than expected. And there was a single retainer selling TWENTY of them. And below them another selling fourteen more! After some digging around websites and talking to people, the source was found.

The issue is, this time around there are people mass farming cosmocredits and Lunar Credits using a third party tool to craft recipes automatically. It abuses the macro system to automatically calculate and perfect recipes based on gear and runs it. It auto eats for you to refresh buffs. It auto repairs with dark matter when gear drops low. Hell it auto extracts materia on soulbond.

My question is simple. How is this allowed? How is this any different from running a bot to do combat? It's still content. There are people sitting in corners of the moon at the base 24/7 just farming these crafting recipes over and over. I even saw one person hit the achievement for 500000 contribution points on Friday!

I don't have a solution for this sadly that isn't just "Make Crafting actions unusable in macros." But something really should be done.

This is the result of making the A-Mission Crafts time based. of course when you give a player 5 minutes to make something, they aren't going to care about the RNG Conditions that appear. They are going to make a macro and deal with the rng of getting either silver/gold. This is an inherent flaw with the mission/time based system

[Nana_Bear]

That's still a restriction. . .
And again, nothing stopping you from undercutting them and putting yours back on top. And if they constantly lower it, then their crashing their own sales as well.
The exact same scenario you gave happens when multiple people sell the same thing as you as well. Like when the tome crafting items came out. You put yours up for sale and within minutes, it's undercut by a ton of other people.
It's simply supply and demand.

These people I'm referring to, who want to occupy and hold ALL the listings on an item that show on the MB list, don't care about crashing their own sales, for the most part; their big turn-on is shutting out everyone else, like a kid hogging all the toys on the playground. And no, that's *not* the same thing as multiple people selling the same thing as you and/or undercutting. *Multiple people* is not same as "one person nabs ALL the listings that can show in the MB listing."

And why you apparently think "restriction inherently = bad," apparently you've never encountered reasonable restrictions in life. *shrug* But whatever.

[Thurmnmurmn]

These people I'm referring to, who want to occupy and hold ALL the listings on an item that show on the MB list, don't care about crashing their own sales, for the most part; their big turn-on is shutting out everyone else, like a kid hogging all the toys on the playground. And no, that's *not* the same thing as multiple people selling the same thing as you and/or undercutting. *Multiple people* is not same as "one person nabs ALL the listings that can show in the MB listing."

And why you apparently think "restriction inherently = bad," apparently you've never encountered reasonable restrictions in life. *shrug* But whatever.

Yeah I know the kind of person you're talking about. You've defined it 3 times now. Again, nothing stopping you from doing the same and getting into an undercut war with them.

I'm an advocate for a free market. Let the players do whatever they want.
If it were up to me, listings wouldn't be linked to retainers and we could put as many up as we want.

Anyways, in this case it's simply that it's popular content and the supply greatly outnumbers the current demand.

This is the result of making the A-Mission Crafts time based. of course when you give a player 5 minutes to make something, they aren't going to care about the RNG Conditions that appear. They are going to make a macro and deal with the rng of getting either silver/gold. This is an inherent flaw with the mission/time based system

That is definitely a reason for sure. I think another major reason is just how many times you need to do them to get something like the 500k points. Cuz if you looked at Diadem and Ishguard stuff, it was the same thing. Everyone just macro'd it since it takes forever. No one wants to actually craft for that many hours manually.

[Valence]

I think the game finally took pity on me

[Mawlzy]

I think the game finally took pity on me

Nice! I've never seen a 4-star stellar opportunity. Wonder if they're all 100% shots.

[Valence]

This wasn't a stellar opportunity, just a regular basic choice.

[Mawlzy]

This wasn't a stellar opportunity, just a regular basic choice.

Aha! Didn't realize the normal ones went to 4-star.

[Doki]

I've been mid-level grinding away and just hit about 10% completion towards all jobs 500k. Gathering feels far too slow, and the newest missions after unlocking 1st new tunnel are not macro or time investment friendly with current gear. I imagine I'll end up somewhere around 150k in all by the time Occult Crescent drops and pulls me away.