People don’t realize how easy it is to get into raiding in this game

[Valence]

I'd say this extends even to progging. I really do not mesh with "Watch a vid beforehand/while progging"-method. I have to actually DO the stuff to learn, and I have to do it continuously with only tiny breaks in-between should party mate even need it. The repetitive 'pauses' just because somebody needs to review their own material really force a figurative brake on my own learning momentum, and thus it's easy for me to just forget whatever I've learned up to that point.

Worse? There's very little communication, like you've said. "Is there anything I can do to help with X mechanic?" is often met with silence until the proverbial 'ok' via next abrupt countdown timer. Also don't even get me started on the ones who don't even know what it means to prog a fight together..... lol. It wasn't as bad during ShB as far as I can remember... what led to the shift in paradigm come EW, Idk. I'm so over that.

It would blow people's mind that in SB and before PF progging or reclears actually had ranged dps not only flex between R1 and R2 because no holy raidplans, but also sometimes also ask you to know melee mechanics as well because getting 3 or even 4 ranged wasn't that unusual. People had to talk and adjust. If anything it was statics that guaranteed you a single consistent spot. I used to say that PF back then made the toughest, most adjusted mofos.

Currently it's just people throwing a fit whenever something deviates from the set of execution ever so slightly

[Valence]

No I don’t want the timer back and if you had read other posts of mine you would have known that while missing the timer I don’t care too much about its removal but apparently you refuse to do that.

Instead you continue with your childish insults and contradicting yourself with being a casual BLM and trying to dictate to those who played it before in higher content in how you apparently know everything about that job when you can’t even name the apparent skill ceiling you parade around or even fail to realize how the faster cast times had a huge impact on the use of triplecast.

Call me what you want.
I find you at most amusing at this point.

Goodbye or whatever.
I don’t want to derail the thread any longer and will stop here.

But if I am still pressing the same buttons and doing the same rotation it surely means nothing much has changed with BLM right? .. right?

[TheInsomniac13]

But if I am still pressing the same buttons and doing the same rotation it surely means nothing much has changed with BLM right? .. right?

Depends if you go to a restaurant ordering the stake because you like the way it is seasoned, but it suddenly is served without even a pinch of salt... you can still eat it like normal... but do´s it still taste you? Will you still come to this restaurant ordering the stake?

And while I ask the person why the food taste so freaking bland the blogs on the neighbor table keep talking how I should stop complaining now every granny who finds salt to spicy can enjoy the stake.
But I feel entiteld to complain because I have prepaid this restaurant table which now do´s not serve me what I wanna eat anymore.

[fumofu]

Fortunately, SE will be addressing this when they release their version of "raidplan",

I'm actually worried about that, because SE might make it as an excuse to start making all the boss fights even more complex. But then why they even bother with easy content anymore. Maybe they could just make every dungeon as dificult as criterion! Would surely help to weed out all noobs like me from this game!

It's also worth pointing out a true test of this is when we get Extremes in Mentor Roulette with pure sprouts. Almost all of them are clears. I cleared Thordan Extreme earlier in Mentor Roulette with a FT sprout for example. The last time I got Thordan it was also a clear. And I've also cleared in that roulette: Emanation, Tsukuyomi's Pain, Great Hunt, Limitless Blue, Thok Ast Thok, Striking Tree, Whorleater, Bowl of Embers, The Navel, Ultima's Bane, Thornmarch, Howling Eye, Akh Afah Amphitheatre. The level 50 ones and Great Hunt are the most common, but the fact is we've cleared the others with sprouts as well. I'd admit Nidhogg's Rage hasn't worked out but usually it does get pretty far at least.

I'm absolutely impressed you got such talented sprouts, who could actually clear these really difficult trials in a roulette. None of these fights are what I could call easy, and most of these took me many hours to learn and clear, but at least their mechanics can be explained. And yes, I actually liked most of trials from ARR to SB and even first few of SHB, but starting from the Seat of Sacrifice I feel SE wen't nuts. This fights is the worst EX trial of all time, which is surprising, because it starts quite well, and it would be damn good trial if it would end before phase 3, but that's where you get spit in your face. Why? Because you don't get just a new phase of mechanics. You get a VARIATION of several completely different combinations of mechanics! At the end of the grueling fight, which isn't too easy itself, you get to 3rd phase and you don't get to learn it, because it changes randomly every time! And it's not even not something simple! It's basicaly designed to make you give up. Fun.

Then there's plenty of other ex trials with some bs mechanics that are meant to destroy your desire to continue, don't remember then all, but some of the worst are meteors from Zeromus. What's wrong with it? It's all random, there are no clear positions where each player must go and there's ALWAYS chance that someone will put it wrong, thus making this fight IMPOSSIBLE to do consistantly. Rubicante's double circle puzzle is also terrible and feels absolutely unfair as it's random and doesn't gives you enough time to find a safe spot. And then then after adds phase - gl trying to figure all that. The absolute worst of raid designs yet. Random markers for everyone, random aoe which shows for a milisecond before hitting, gl trying to figure this stuff.

[fumofu]

And we are not even talking about savage, which is what people mostly mean when they talk abour raiding. I'll admit, I don't do any savages synced, because I feel absolutely no desire to do content that is even more difficult than ex trials, because many of these are already way too hard for my liking. But I sometimes try unsync savages, and even then I find many of these to be hardly clearable. Let's say p8s. Absolutely terrible fight, but what breaks it completely is Natural Alignment. Did SE made this as a middle finger for players? How you even come up with something so obscene that's so difficult to understand even with guides? Then there's ''basic relativity'' from E12s, hello world from O12s and who knows how many others.

Then another problem is that in every fight there's tons of new mechanics, which makes you feel like you're not really making any progress in this game. I play from 2.4, cleared or at least tried out most of ex trials and even a good amount of savages unsynced and yet everytime I get into new ex trial, it's like I'm a new player, seeing tons of new bs mechanics and thus invalidating all my previous experience. And worse of all, it feels like each expansion fights gets more and more complicated. So, if I myself am strugling so much with it, how can anyone can claim that '' PeOple dOn’t reAliZe hOw eAsy it is to gEt iNto raAdINng iN tHiS gAmE! At last maybe stop trying to deceive new players with false clams and just straight up tell the truth that raiding in this game is extremely gruesome and requiring much skill and dedication and is TOTALLY not for everyone?

[ChrysOCE]

There are rarely "new" mechanics. It's all variations of the same thing that has been in previous fights. It might look different but the base mechanic is the same.

[missTori]

. So, if I myself am strugling so much with it, how can anyone can claim that '' PeOple dOn’t reAliZe hOw eAsy it is to gEt iNto raAdINng iN tHiS gAmE! At last maybe stop trying to deceive new players with false clams and just straight up tell the truth that raiding in this game is extremely gruesome and requiring much skill and dedication and is TOTALLY not for everyone?

Ngl this seems like whining at this point. You didn’t even read my last reply that I consider myself mid to bad and still clear. It’s not normal to be this offended by my post lmao

[fumofu]

Ngl this seems like whining at this point. You didn’t even read my last reply that I consider myself mid to bad and still clear. It’s not normal to be this offended by my post lmao

Whining? Perhaps. But I just wanted to share my own thoughs and experience of raiding, to show that from my point of view the statement of this topic is false (at least partialy). Also, I haven't done Sphene ex and no longer have any desire to do any content that is harder than normal raids or trials (with an exception of unsync), as it's just not worth it. Also, from what I understand, most players actually somehow get satisfaction just from doing difficult content itself and while I can enjoy it too for some extent, but more often than not this content tends to be so overtuned that it only leads up to frustration and I end up hating it, so why even bother.

[Voidmage]

But if I am still pressing the same buttons and doing the same rotation it surely means nothing much has changed with BLM right? .. right?

Ngl, you made me chuckle.

If I take my car, exchange the manual drive for an automatic one and a few other things like exchanging the entertainment system (not like mine has any) it’s still the old car right?
It drives completely different and I now listen to cd’s instead of mp3 but the paint job is still the same and I still press on the gas with my foot.

[Saraide]

And we are not even talking about savage, which is what people mostly mean when they talk abour raiding. I'll admit, I don't do any savages synced, because I feel absolutely no desire to do content that is even more difficult than ex trials, because many of these are already way too hard for my liking. But I sometimes try unsync savages, and even then I find many of these to be hardly clearable. Let's say p8s. Absolutely terrible fight, but what breaks it completely is Natural Alignment. Did SE made this as a middle finger for players? How you even come up with something so obscene that's so difficult to understand even with guides? Then there's ''basic relativity'' from E12s, hello world from O12s and who knows how many others.

Then another problem is that in every fight there's tons of new mechanics, which makes you feel like you're not really making any progress in this game. I play from 2.4, cleared or at least tried out most of ex trials and even a good amount of savages unsynced and yet everytime I get into new ex trial, it's like I'm a new player, seeing tons of new bs mechanics and thus invalidating all my previous experience. And worse of all, it feels like each expansion fights gets more and more complicated. So, if I myself am strugling so much with it, how can anyone can claim that '' PeOple dOn’t reAliZe hOw eAsy it is to gEt iNto raAdINng iN tHiS gAmE! At last maybe stop trying to deceive new players with false clams and just straight up tell the truth that raiding in this game is extremely gruesome and requiring much skill and dedication and is TOTALLY not for everyone?

If you were trying to blind prog then yea I can see how hello world style mechanics are tough but with guide it's literally just following a set path based on what debuff you start with. There isnt even a need to understand the mechanic, just follow the path and let the mechanic resolve around you.