Cosmic Exploration is Bad

[Ekymus]

This was literally my first two replies to you. I offered to help you, I tried to understand what problems you had and offered you advice, I agreed the way gear progression works on crafters is rather opaque. Genuinely what did you want from me? I only started being rude and sassy because you rebuked my offers and help then insulted me and called me rude and unhelpful. You didn’t provide me any information I could use to help your problem, I still managed to correctly deduce your problem was the (very fair criticism) odd level sync on some of the missions and the game giving you (again fair criticism) the message go buy weaker gear at the shop you don’t actually want. Like what else did you want me to do

“Help” is trying to offer you solutions, not going “you are totally right worst content ever please delete yoshi p”

If you want a vent thread try reddit

That was literally you telling me that I don't know how to play fisher or what my buttons do. And again, I DON'T PLAY CRAFTERS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE HOW CRAFTING WORKS.

If you wanted to help, you should not have come in assuming that I don't know what I'm doing and that the problem must be me. Because based on the people complaining about how gathering works in Cosmic Exploration and the fact that you're one of the only people claiming it works perfectly, you are clearly wrong and don't understand why people don't like this content.

Even in this response, you refuse to accept that the problem isn't me, but the content. You refuse to admit that Cosmic Explorations is a bad experience for gatherers, especially fishers, and instead insist that I just don't know how to play the class.

You are white knighting for some of the worst conceived content in the game as you continue to ignore the fact that Cosmic Explorations isn't a good experience for the casual gatherer.

[NaoSen]

I DON'T PLAY CRAFTERS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE HOW CRAFTING WORKS

Yet does Cosmic Exploration, lol.

[Ekymus]

Yet does Cosmic Exploration, lol.

It's supposed to be for gatherers too, you know, Disciple of the Land classes. You do realize that those exist too and that Cosmic Explorations was supposed to be for them too, right?

[Supersnow845]

That was literally you telling me that I don't know how to play fisher or what my buttons do. And again, I DON'T PLAY CRAFTERS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE HOW CRAFTING WORKS.

If you wanted to help, you should not have come in assuming that I don't know what I'm doing and that the problem must be me. Because based on the people complaining about how gathering works in Cosmic Exploration and the fact that you're one of the only people claiming it works perfectly, you are clearly wrong and don't understand why people don't like this content.

Even in this response, you refuse to accept that the problem isn't me, but the content. You refuse to admit that Cosmic Explorations is a bad experience for gatherers, especially fishers, and instead insist that I just don't know how to play the class.

You are white knighting for some of the worst conceived content in the game as you continue to ignore the fact that Cosmic Explorations isn't a good experience for the casual gatherer.

Except the problem is literally your gear. I deduced this for you on like page 2

I even agreed with you it was bad that game kept telling you to upgrade your ilvl but the items you buy from cosmic are actually downgrades but that doesn’t change the fact that it was your gear and you objectively bought the wrong gear (notice I never insulted you for it)

“All the other people saying this content is bad” aren’t complaining about you owning the wrong gear. There are legit criticisms to this content, you owning the wrong gear then telling everyone else they are wrong is not a complaint. No matter how much you say I don’t get to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a complaint you owning the wrong gear then acting like your skills are so good it must actually be the content that’s wrong is NOT a complaint, go back and watch that happy stream, never once did he say “I bought the wrong gear and made the content harder for myself that’s why cosmic is awful”

[PotatoePet]

I don't get where that perception comes from that Cosmic Exploration is or was meant to be casual crafter/gatherer content.

Crafter and gatherer content usually is considered more casual as the skill ceiling isn't as high. There are a lot of resources out there helping you to equip yourself optimally or assisting you in creating macros or finding the perfect rotations if you are doing it by hand. Same goes for gatherers with 960GP rotations for collectables etc.

TeamCraft is an excellent resource for all that kind of information.

All crafting missions from D-B aren't time limited either. One could argue that having the gathering missions on a timer is a bit too much.

A-missions are meant for Level 100 as it is clearly stated in-game. And I really did enjoy solving those recipes as some of them were tricky. Felt like a good puzzle

But as far as crafting and gathering content goes, Cosmic Exploration is 'midcore' to 'hardcore' crafter/gatherer content. Most expert recipes aren't the hardest we had but some actually require knowledge about crafting and CP management.

[Ekymus]

I don't get where that perception comes from that Cosmic Exploration is or was meant to be casual crafter/gatherer content.

Crafter and gatherer content usually is considered more casual as the skill ceiling isn't as high. There are a lot of resources out there helping you to equip yourself optimally or assisting you in creating macros or finding the perfect rotations if you are doing it by hand. Same goes for gatherers with 960GP rotations for collectables etc.

TeamCraft is an excellent resource for all that kind of information.

All crafting missions from D-B aren't time limited either. One could argue that having the gathering missions on a timer is a bit too much.

A-missions are meant for Level 100 as it is clearly stated in-game. And I really did enjoy solving those recipes as some of them were tricky. Felt like a good puzzle

But as far as crafting and gathering content goes, Cosmic Exploration is 'midcore' to 'hardcore' crafter/gatherer content. Most expert recipes aren't the hardest we had but some actually require knowledge about crafting and CP management.

The perception comes from the fact that you can start doing Cosmic Explorations at level 10. I'm a level 97 fisher, the minimum iLvl for gear for D rank stuff is 595 or something like that... when I was in my lvl 90 script gear, I wasn't catching anything. When I bought the gear from the Cosmic Explorations vendor, I then started to catch stuff, but I was still failing more than succeeding.

This is a very specific problem for gatherers. Crafters are having the easiest time in the world because they can use macros and they don't actually have to try or rely on RNG like gatherers, specifically fishers, do. Cosmic Explorations was made for crafters, not gatherers, who were a forgotten afterthought.

And again, this isn't just my opinion that Cosmic Explorations is bad for gatherers, it's the opinion of a lot of people, including hardcore players like Mr. Happy and others.

[PotatoePet]

The perception comes from the fact that you can start doing Cosmic Explorations at level 10. I'm a level 97 fisher, the minimum iLvl for gear for D rank stuff is 595 or something like that... when I was in my lvl 90 script gear, I wasn't catching anything. When I bought the gear from the Cosmic Explorations vendor, I then started to catch stuff, but I was still failing more than succeeding.

This is a very specific problem for gatherers. Crafters are having the easiest time in the world because they can use macros and they don't actually have to try or rely on RNG like gatherers, specifically fishers, do. Cosmic Explorations was made for crafters, not gatherers, who were a forgotten afterthought.

And again, this isn't just my opinion that Cosmic Explorations is bad for gatherers, it's the opinion of a lot of people, including hardcore players like Mr. Happy and others.

Yea, like I said: The time limit on gatherer missions is a bit too much imho. (They could basically remove that time limit from all D - B missions where the goal isn't to get gold for completion within a certain time)

Especially because GP is such a limited resource when doing gatherer in Cosmic. Points are also not enough. If points were more, failing from time to time would be fine.

Fisher is hard and RNG heavy just like outside of cosmic. I really think they should add one of two things:
- A place to rest to refill GP faster
- Or: Special cordials only useable in Cosmic which fill 800GP can only be used in cosmic and are either given at the start of missions or cheaply available for cosmo credits.

[Ekymus]

Yea, like I said: The time limit on gatherer missions is a bit too much imho. (They could basically remove that time limit from all D - B missions where the goal isn't to get gold for completion within a certain time)

Especially because GP is such a limited resource when doing gatherer in Cosmic. Points are also not enough. If points were more, failing from time to time would be fine.

Fisher is hard and RNG heavy just like outside of cosmic. I really think they should add one of two things:
- A place to rest to refill GP faster
- Or: Special cordials only useable in Cosmic which fill 800GP can only be used in cosmic and are either given at the start of missions or cheaply available for cosmo credits.

Those would help for sure, especially removing the timers. And I appreciate that you acknowledge that fishing is extremely dependent on RNG, unlike most other gatherers and crafters.

[Ekymus]

Except the problem is literally your gear. I deduced this for you on like page 2

I even agreed with you it was bad that game kept telling you to upgrade your ilvl but the items you buy from cosmic are actually downgrades but that doesn’t change the fact that it was your gear and you objectively bought the wrong gear (notice I never insulted you for it)

“All the other people saying this content is bad” aren’t complaining about you owning the wrong gear. There are legit criticisms to this content, you owning the wrong gear then telling everyone else they are wrong is not a complaint. No matter how much you say I don’t get to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a complaint you owning the wrong gear then acting like your skills are so good it must actually be the content that’s wrong is NOT a complaint, go back and watch that happy stream, never once did he say “I bought the wrong gear and made the content harder for myself that’s why cosmic is awful”

You can be wrong all you want, it won't change the fact that you are wrong. When I was using my level 90 script gear I wasn't succeeding at all. When I used the vendor gear from Cosmic Explorations, I was at least able to succeed every once in a while. Since I'm not level 100 yet, I can't wear the BiS gear.

So you can keep blaming anything and everything under the sun except for the content all you want, all it does is show how much of a white knight you are.

[Supersnow845]

You can be wrong all you want, it won't change the fact that you are wrong. When I was using my level 90 script gear I wasn't succeeding at all. When I used the vendor gear from Cosmic Explorations, I was at least able to succeed every once in a while. Since I'm not level 100 yet, I can't wear the BiS gear.

So you can keep blaming anything and everything under the sun except for the content all you want, all it does is show how much of a white knight you are.

Stat point for stat point the level 97 gear you can buy from the cosmic merchant is weaker than the Level 90 purple scrip gear. So if you bought the 97 gear and saw a modest improvement then it’s simply a placebo affect as you actually made your gear weaker.

This is a hat I’m trying to explain to you. You aren’t listening to people who are saying you are doing something wrong. I wasn’t trying to insult you I was trying to help you. Just because content is levelling doesn’t mean it has to be brainless. Cosmic fishing is a puzzle you solve with your kit, you don’t just outgear it. Even with pentamelded BIS B rank fishing still requires you to “play the puzzle”, you can’t just ignore it with stats.

If you tell us what is going wrong, like “I’m constantly hooking the wrong fish” or “I don’t have the GP to sustain patience 2 like I feel like this mission is asking me to do” we can offer you solutions. I’ve simulated basically all the D C and B rank missions with gear from the mid 90’s and I don’t struggle with them. I’m trying to figure out what you are struggling with so I can help you

Because again pointing to me happy as an example of “see everyone is complaining” is near worthless when Mr happy is complaining about things like GP not restoring between missions, not having something in your kit that you are or aren’t using and declaring the content is terrible because of it