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  1. 04-28-2025 08:41 AM

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    Astronis's Avatar
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    Astronis Smythe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    Cosmic Exploration just sounds like more of the same, content I have no business touching even if I had access to it because I won't be good at it for one reason or another, and if its well and truly considered casual? Well, that just makes my personal inability that much worse.
    It's up to you if you want to give it a try, but there's some of it that can be engaged with that has no curve at all--the mech ops and the Red Alerts can be done by anyone and you can get currency to play the roulette game to get orchestrions or mounts that way as well as buy glams and portrait frames and such. The crafting and gathering tools want a little more effort, but if you don't want to do any expert crafts you don't have to, it will just be slower relying solely on the Red Alerts for the tool XP that otherwise you'd only get from the harder quests.
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    Minali Flo'uf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    (snip bc. post length)
    I hope it doesn't come off as rude, I am not you of course and you have to know what is or isn't fun for you, obviously. However, going by the examples you mention, like the sightseeing log, triple triad or crafting and gathering in this case, this feels like "perfect" is standing in the way of "good" a lot. It sounds like very binary decisions are being made here, leaving you with nothing to do due to not being able to do them 110%. There are hundreds of Sightseeing Log entries, and maybe a hand full after ARR involve jumping puzzles like the ones on the Kugane Tower or Bokairo Inn. And some of the ARR ones used to have jumping puzzles but are now nothingburgers due to the addition of flying in ARR regions. Considering the point of the Sightseeing Log is exploring maps and getting some nice extra lore about this world of FFXIV, and maybe unlocking paintings for housing or getting a minion or two, I can't help but wonder how not being able to do a hand full of them suddenly makes the experience of dozens of others really bad. It's not like you have to do them in order or have to have finished all HW entries to unlock the SB ones or so. (A part of the ARR logs seems to be hidden behind other ARR logs but as others already pointed out, the ARR ones are weird as hell and not representative for this whole feature anyway.)
    And it's the same here: Plenty of people described in detail how there are many parts of Cosmic Exploration you can do with zero knowledge about gathering and crafting whatsoever, maybe 10-20% of knowledge for Stellar missions, should you decide to do some, it just takes more time. And yet just knowing there is an optional part somewhere in there that might not be your thing spoils the whole experience for you.

    I am a person who has some completionist tendencies, and issues with being too perfectionist in some regards, so I fully understand of not wanting to do something maybe 70% instead of 100%. However, perfection is an illusion, not just in FFXIV but just in life in general. And I learned sometimes these 70% can also be a lot of fun one would otherwise miss out on entirely, limiting my life experience drastically.

    Of course, as said, I am not you, but I know this kind of striving for experience that fulfill you 100% leads to a very lonely path with not a lot of options for enjoyment. If this is still enough and satisfying for you, sure, go for it, but maybe consider once in a while to look for fun in imperfect things as well...?
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    I was having trouble with a lot of the A rank missions on ltw because I was being stubborn and not using food on the first day. After I started using food and the cp tisane I found that most of them weren't bad, though there were still a couple that took a lot of attempts to gold. I like that the content gives you the materials for the crafts, it made it so I didn't feel bad experimenting with my rotation until I found something that worked. I honestly had fun trying different things, and even making use of specialist actions for the first time in awhile.
    Silvers are still worth a lot of points towards the relic, so I encourage players who are struggling to keep trying and experimenting. There is a fairly wide gap in difficulty among the A rank missions so you may find some you can do even if not all of them.

    Haven't tried much gathering yet so I can't comment on them.

    Edit: I realize I kind of talked around the point, but overall I think it's ok for the content to have some harder recipes mixed in since all rewards can still be earned by players with easier missions, the red alerts, ect. Admittedly I don't know how much slower it is if you avoid A ranks altogether.
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    Last edited by Moomba33; 04-28-2025 at 12:47 PM.

  5. 04-29-2025 07:41 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    Probably because the community and even the developers come off very demanding about "perfection" in nearly every piece of content otherwise you're getting kicked, reported, body checked or duty failed.
    In the great Wikipedia tradition, "[citation needed]."

    In the ~4 years of playing FFXIV on Crystal, what you've said has literally never happened to me -- even as I ran roulettes while challenging Gerolt to a drinking contest.

    I've seen how people act about Frontlines, about Chaotic, about bloody damn everything where the slightest mistake means death or failure and you WILL get chewed out for it, in-game no less
    Again, in the great Wikipedia tradition, "[citation needed]."

    In the ~4 years of playing FFXIV on Crystal, I've lost to Gerolt multiple times, and no one gives a f.

    Anyone who's getting "chewed out" in-game has to be so incompetently bad that other people would prefer get sanctioned by a GM rather than stay silent.
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    Gwenkatsu Furokane
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    /snip/
    I am pretty much in the same boat as you, as I also ignore a lot of the content this game has to offer since it's just too hard for me.

    But there's one difference between us regarding the mindset. My mindset is "try it out, and when it sucks, just stop doing it". Your mindset seems to be "Read about it, and when I get the feeling I can't do it to 100%, don't even start".

    For example, I went into CE, did some crafting, all goes well. Then up comes a recipe where my workpiece suddenly takes on some states I've never seen before. In the forums I learned that this is nothing special, expert recipes do this for years. Ok. Obviously, I never did an expert recipe before, since I never saw this stuff before. "Screw this sh**, I'm not going to learn 20 new states to finish this ***". And I was gone in no time.

    Couple of days later I decided to give it another try. This time I found out that my tool experience bar (or however it is called) can be filled, even if I get only bronze state on a mission. Guess what? I never used a Touch action again, just finish every piece ASAP, and level up my tool. I do a couple of quests per day, get my 1000 Lunar currency for the daily mech ride or gambling, and have fun.

    I will never score gold on all the missions, I will never finish CE to 100%. And I don't care, it's just a nice little side activity to me. And this is all it should be IMO.
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