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  1. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skies View Post
    :/

    To put it in short terms:
    He's talking about how the primals are false gods (remember, the Garleans believe that adventurers are akin to beastmen and worship them as well) and how they don't care for us, so we should stop worshipping them. He is also flaunting his superiority and calling us ignorant and then telling that Dalamud is draining the power of the crystals and, by extention, primals in order to work
    So you agree that out of 5 paragraphs the only one with actual content is the last.
    Maybe he could have delivered how he doesn't worship the avatars, but you know what? He didn't deliver anything. He just blurted out some cold text book lines and justifications and analysis of the current estate of the world.

    Why? WHY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majidah View Post
    So you agree that out of 5 paragraphs the only one with actual content is the last.
    Maybe he could have delivered how he doesn't worship the avatars, but you know what? He didn't deliver anything. He just blurted out some cold text book lines and justifications and analysis of the current estate of the world.

    Why? WHY?
    Because that is him TALKING as a CHARACTER. He isn't a player analyzing the plot for you.
    Edit; and it isnt all in the last paragraph, it was just condensed for you into 1.
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    Last edited by KaplanHomahru; 04-29-2012 at 08:32 AM.

  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majidah View Post
    So you agree that out of 5 paragraphs the only one with actual content is the last.
    Maybe he could have delivered how he doesn't worship the avatars, but you know what? He didn't deliver anything. He just blurted out some cold text book lines and justifications and analysis of the current estate of the world.

    Why? WHY?
    What? No, that was taken from all paragraphs, the last paragraph speaks only of the moon. The rest of the content is still pretty important, it defines not just his character but the motivations of the empire.

    Also, as I said, ranting is in Nael's personality. I don't fully remember how the other Legatus speak fully, but I do know that the one Legatus that directly antagonizes Nael has a pretty practical and straightforward manner of speech, easily putting him as a polar opposite to Nael's raving powermad personality.
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  4. #134
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    I'm interested in DELIVERY and PROPER form of what is said.
    If you ask a stranger the time, he won't tell you the story of how the first clock was invented and what society feels about them. THAT'S bad writing.
    Leaving aside how shallow everything said by that NPC was, and not to mention long and uninteresting, its mostly IRRELEVANT and impossible to BELIEVE that someone would talk that much and let alone do it without being interrupted.
    Megalomaniacal villains are not your buddy from down the street, and do not have casual conversation with you.

    This is not rocket science. Go watch "In the Pale Moonlight" from ST: DS9. (>.> ) There's some good, long-winded, cutting dialog.
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    Last edited by Eagleheart; 04-29-2012 at 08:45 AM.

  5. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaplanHomahru View Post
    We are trying to stop his doomsday plot from eventually destroying our world/way of life ... we are not asking a stranger for the time. That is why he has a little bit more to say...you sound really bad lol
    Why would he even explain all that? So that we could know more about how Dalamud works and find a way to stop it?
    Or are you implying that he's a bond villain and has a really strong personal relationship with us?

    You don't simply give a speech like that to a run of the mill adventurer. And even then, you don't talk about situation of the world, and how the climate is, and whatever else was inside that pot of nonsense.
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    Here's a good way to put things....


    This isn't NES era. We don't need to condense dialog into single paragraphs anymore.

    We can actually tell a story, with fleshed-out characters with goals, hopes, fears, replete with moments of triumph and dismal, abject failure, without resorting to the kind of to-the-point chatter that made Mystic Quest a laughing stock.

    Incidentally, I loved MQ. (>.> ) Great music.
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  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majidah View Post
    Why would he even explain all that? So that we could know more about how Dalamud works and find a way to stop it?
    Or are you implying that he's a bond villain and has a really strong personal relationship with us?

    You don't simply give a speech like that to a run of the mill adventurer.
    If you haven't noticed before...in fiction, it is very common for the villain to explain part or all of their plan(s) to the hero. So yes, he was partly explaining how it works, and yes we will probably find a way to stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaplanHomahru View Post
    If you haven't noticed before...in fiction, it is very common for the villain to explain part or all of their plan(s) to the hero. So yes, he was partly explaining how it works, and yes we will probably find a way to stop it.
    Find a way to stop it.. but fail in the end.. and Dalamud destroys everything... but the cities... :/ LOL ^^
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    Why would he even explain all that? So that we could know more about how Dalamud works and find a way to stop it?
    Or are you implying that he's a bond villain and has a really strong personal relationship with us?

    You don't simply give a speech like that to a run of the mill adventurer. And even then, you don't talk about situation of the world, and how the climate is, and whatever else was inside that pot of nonsense.

    ...you're not a run of the mill adventurer. He's already mentioned to you, after killing Ifrit Lv.25, how impressed he is with you.

    Then the leaders of the individual nations mention how impressive you are.

    Then von Darnus walks up, having come to kill Garuda himself, only to see that you just slew what amounts to a god in Eorzea, again. AGAIN.

    Did you read ANYTHING ANYWHERE?! O_O
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  10. #140
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleheart View Post
    ...you're not a run of the mill adventurer. He's already mentioned to you, after killing Ifrit Lv.25, how impressed he is with you.

    Then the leaders of the individual nations mention how impressive you are.

    Then von Darnus walks up, having come to kill Garuda himself, only to see that you just slew what amounts to a god in Eorzea, again. AGAIN.

    Did you read ANYTHING ANYWHERE?! O_O
    I think that her problem is because the game's narrative treats you as if you were a great hero and not a random soldier, and stuff like 'twenty thousand people killed Garuda' does not, actually, happens in the narrative, it was just you, but that is entirely different of how the mechanics work.

    It requires a little bit of suspension of disbelief, but if you're not aware that you need to treat things this way, yah, you might get mixed signals.
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