SE: Please tone it down a hair

[Caliburn]

An example of Old English, by the way, for those who seem to be confused:



The dialogue is flowery, peppered with archaisms and local flavour, which either: are confusing and overwrought, or: add an immense amount of character and weight to the in-character world they're trying to establish, modulo one's opinions on purple prose.

But it's not "Old English". It's not even Chaucer's English. Hell, it's more modern than Shakespeare's English, with a few deliberate archaisms thrown in here and there.

(Unless you count Roegadyn given names. Those are, in fact, inspired by Old English, which is why they are all spelled so ridiculously.)

There is no need to be pretentious. I'm not suggesting the characters actually speak Old English. I'm saying there is a certain vibe/concept SE seem to be going for which is reminiscent of clichéd medieval/fantasy speech.

[UmJammerSully]

There is no need to be pretentious.

Par for the course with this thread. Half these people aren't interested in trying to make compelling arguments or anything, they've just found a golden opportunity to stroke their own e-peens and jumped on it.

[HiirNoivl]

There is no need to be pretentious. I'm not suggesting the characters actually speak Old English. I'm saying there is a certain vibe/concept SE seem to be going for which is reminiscent of clichéd medieval/fantasy speech.

But it's not, that's the thing. There's not a "thee" to be seen. But here's the problem. Let's take Nael's lieetl speach here. Referring to Dalamud:

Such a wondrous radiance...both magnificent and terrible. Truly, the soul can harbor no doubt that this is the light of creation! Even you must recognize that.

Then referring to what I just did:

Garlemald owes you a great debt, adventurer. Wholly without our prompting, you have now felled the primals of both fire and wind. Such ability and devotion commands even mine own respect.

Then after laughing for no reason.

You would do well to see reality for what it truly is─cold, cruel, unforgiving. No words could do justice to the great deeds that I have done, nor the countless hardships I have endured in their doing.

Uh huh...

Corpses litter the fields and choke the streets, and still your gods remain silent─utterly indifferent. Such gods are not fit for worship. As they gaze impassively upon our corpses, so let us gaze upon theirs. The gods are dead to us─we have no need of them.

I don't care about that. Get to the point.

So please, by all means, persist. Struggle to your heart's content. Struggle however you see fit. Struggle long. Struggle oft. And when at last you tire of struggling...summon up your courage and struggle some more!

/doze

For with every act of defiance, another drop of Eorzea's lifeblood shall be given over to the red moon. The crystals, the land, the primals─the power of all shall burn bright and shine down upon this realm a glorious purifying light!

There's the point! There it is! Yaaay!

And yet.... there are two more paragraphs left to read

SE is trying to shove hours of game-time's worth of lore into a single speech.

After killing Garuda, do you care about Darnus's views on religion? Do I really need to read the word "struggle" 6 times in a single sentence? What does his tales of derring-do have to do with anything?

[Majidah]

But it's not, that's the thing. There's not a "thee" to be seen. But here's the problem. Let's take Nael's lieetl speach here. Referring to Dalamud:

Such a wondrous radiance...both magnificent and terrible. Truly, the soul can harbor no doubt that this is the light of creation! Even you must recognize that.

Then referring to what I just did:

Garlemald owes you a great debt, adventurer. Wholly without our prompting, you have now felled the primals of both fire and wind. Such ability and devotion commands even mine own respect.

Then after laughing for no reason.

You would do well to see reality for what it truly is─cold, cruel, unforgiving. No words could do justice to the great deeds that I have done, nor the countless hardships I have endured in their doing.

Uh huh...

Corpses litter the fields and choke the streets, and still your gods remain silent─utterly indifferent. Such gods are not fit for worship. As they gaze impassively upon our corpses, so let us gaze upon theirs. The gods are dead to us─we have no need of them.

I don't care about that. Get to the point.

So please, by all means, persist. Struggle to your heart's content. Struggle however you see fit. Struggle long. Struggle oft. And when at last you tire of struggling...summon up your courage and struggle some more!

/doze

For with every act of defiance, another drop of Eorzea's lifeblood shall be given over to the red moon. The crystals, the land, the primals─the power of all shall burn bright and shine down upon this realm a glorious purifying light!

There's the point! There it is! Yaaay!

And yet.... there are two more paragraphs left to read

I think there's a group of people who are way too arrogant to realize that even people in the old DIDN'T SPEAK LIKE THAT.
The language in the streets wasn't the same as one in an old english play. Peasants and commoners didn't speak in such convoluted manner.

It seems like every single weaver, blacksmith and orphan in the streets of Eorzea is a playwright who for some reason are reading out loud to anyone who passes something they wrote.

Funniest thing is that they speak of things that aren't even reflected in the world... but that's a whole different matter and I don't want to derail the topic.

[Starlord]

But it's not, that's the thing. There's not a "thee" to be seen. But here's the problem. Let's take Nael's lieetl speach here. Referring to Dalamud:

Such a wondrous radiance...both magnificent and terrible. Truly, the soul can harbor no doubt that this is the light of creation! Even you must recognize that.

Then referring to what I just did:

Garlemald owes you a great debt, adventurer. Wholly without our prompting, you have now felled the primals of both fire and wind. Such ability and devotion commands even mine own respect.

Then after laughing for no reason.

You would do well to see reality for what it truly is─cold, cruel, unforgiving. No words could do justice to the great deeds that I have done, nor the countless hardships I have endured in their doing.

Uh huh...

Corpses litter the fields and choke the streets, and still your gods remain silent─utterly indifferent. Such gods are not fit for worship. As they gaze impassively upon our corpses, so let us gaze upon theirs. The gods are dead to us─we have no need of them.

I don't care about that. Get to the point.

So please, by all means, persist. Struggle to your heart's content. Struggle however you see fit. Struggle long. Struggle oft. And when at last you tire of struggling...summon up your courage and struggle some more!

/doze

For with every act of defiance, another drop of Eorzea's lifeblood shall be given over to the red moon. The crystals, the land, the primals─the power of all shall burn bright and shine down upon this realm a glorious purifying light!

There's the point! There it is! Yaaay!

And yet.... there are two more paragraphs left to read

I find nothing wrong with how they speak, I find it Fascinating!

[bobbygunz]

But it's not, that's the thing. There's not a "thee" to be seen. But here's the problem. Let's take Nael's lieetl speach here. Referring to Dalamud:

Such a wondrous radiance...both magnificent and terrible. Truly, the soul can harbor no doubt that this is the light of creation! Even you must recognize that.

Then referring to what I just did:

Garlemald owes you a great debt, adventurer. Wholly without our prompting, you have now felled the primals of both fire and wind. Such ability and devotion commands even mine own respect.

Then after laughing for no reason.

You would do well to see reality for what it truly is─cold, cruel, unforgiving. No words could do justice to the great deeds that I have done, nor the countless hardships I have endured in their doing.

Uh huh...

Corpses litter the fields and choke the streets, and still your gods remain silent─utterly indifferent. Such gods are not fit for worship. As they gaze impassively upon our corpses, so let us gaze upon theirs. The gods are dead to us─we have no need of them.

I don't care about that. Get to the point.

So please, by all means, persist. Struggle to your heart's content. Struggle however you see fit. Struggle long. Struggle oft. And when at last you tire of struggling...summon up your courage and struggle some more!

/doze

For with every act of defiance, another drop of Eorzea's lifeblood shall be given over to the red moon. The crystals, the land, the primals─the power of all shall burn bright and shine down upon this realm a glorious purifying light!

There's the point! There it is! Yaaay!

And yet.... there are two more paragraphs left to read

SE is trying to shove hours of game-time's worth of lore into a single speech.

After killing Garuda, do you care about Darnus's views on religion? Do I really need to read the word "struggle" 6 times in a single sentence? What does his tales of derring-do have to do with anything?

Obviously it makes no sense for Darnus to be there, however, surely you recognise that he says "struggle" six times for effect, right? I mean, it's obviously for emphasis. Just as you had his speech drawn out to emphasize how long it was, so too did he repeat the words struggle six times. The irony is you're guilty of doing the exact same thing he does. And for the same reasons too.

And although you may not need to know his religious leanings... you do know that his philosophical views are important because he's trying to put the motive of the Garlean forces into perspective, right? So we know why they do stuff instead of "just because".

Sorry, but I think it's funny to read these so called attempts at literary criticisms, and then to observe how the more stupid they are, the more likes they receive.