SE isn't hearing the community RE: Job Feedback & Simplification

[HikariKurosawa]

If you want super simple play a simple job in simple content, if you want something in the middle try to optimise a complex job in simple content or play an easy job in hard content, if you want a super challenge then play a hard job in hard content. Right now 1 and 3 are your only options

Sorry but, 1 2 and 3 are options by your own logic. If 3 is an option, you are implying that hard jobs exist, so just play a hard job in simple content and optimize it. Healer is always going to be the easiest role in normal content for mmo. That's just the way it works. So if you want to be engaged in simple content, just dont play healer. Me personally, I find healer engaging enough in regular content because I actually play the game for fun and do what I want rather than doing strictly what is necessary. If somebody has an issue with me using my healing kit to the fullest, that's just weird. I find it fun and cozy for the group to feel extra safe with mitigation and healing. Like if I am healing a dungeon, there is absolutely no chance anyone will feel at risk. Maybe if you are healing and spamming one button aoe while only healing if necessary, the tank will be worrying whether they can survive wall to wall or not.

[Supersnow845]

Sorry but, 1 2 and 3 are options by your own logic. If 3 is an option, you are implying that hard jobs exist, so just play a hard job in simple content and optimize it. Healer is always going to be the easiest role in normal content for mmo. That's just the way it works. So if you want to be engaged in simple content, just dont play healer. Me personally, I find healer engaging enough in regular content because I actually play the game for fun and do what I want rather than doing strictly what is necessary. If somebody has an issue with me using my healing kit to the fullest, that's just weird. I find it fun and cozy for the group to feel extra safe with mitigation and healing. Like if I am healing a dungeon, there is absolutely no chance anyone will feel at risk. Maybe if you are healing and spamming one button aoe while only healing if necessary, the tank will be worrying whether they can survive wall to wall or not.

Option 3 was play an easy job in hard content, so your options are play an easy job in easy content or play an easy job in hard content, my point is all 4 options should exist, you should have the option to play a hard job in easy content

And let’s forget for a moment it’s dumb to relegate an entire role to one difficulty when there are multiple jobs what other role am I supposed to play. Remember you cheer on every time they simplify hard jobs, like I can’t even optimise BLM in easy content because of the changes making it optimise itself. ShB killed the physical ranged, the casters died their final death in 7.2, the tanks died in 5.0 and the melees have always been designed where their AOE rotations are an afterthought after TP was deleted

[HikariKurosawa]

Option 3 was play an easy job in hard content, so your options are play an easy job in easy content or play an easy job in hard content, my point is all 4 options should exist, you should have the option to play a hard job in easy content

And let’s forget for a moment it’s dumb to relegate an entire role to one difficulty when there are multiple jobs what other role am I supposed to play. Remember you cheer on every time they simplify hard jobs, like I can’t even optimise BLM in easy content because of the changes making it optimise itself

If BLM optimizes itself post changes then it was the same thing prior to the changes. Either that or you have a different definition of optimization than me. Think about what you just said and how it relates to the gameplay of BLM.

I don't agree that this game doesn't have complex job options, but hey you're entitled to feel that way. I think it makes sense why you feel that way when you're only doing what is necessary to succeed.

[Carighan]

Option 3 was play an easy job in hard content, so your options are play an easy job in easy content or play an easy job in hard content, my point is all 4 options should exist, you should have the option to play a hard job in easy content

Question: How would you balance them? Who would deal the most damage at the top end?

[Supersnow845]

Question: How would you balance them? Who would deal the most damage at the top end?

Depends on the content, a hard class shouldn’t do more damage by default compared to giving classes different niches but it also should potentially be offered some other benefits such as potentially more powerful utility (like RDM’s raise being stronger than SMN’s as a reward for its complexity over SMN as a super simple example)

[Carighan]

Depends on the content, a hard class shouldn’t do more damage by default compared to giving classes different niches but it also should potentially be offered some other benefits such as potentially more powerful utility (like RDM’s raise being stronger than SMN’s as a reward for its complexity over SMN as a super simple example)

That'd be a way of doing it, because otherwise most groups would just hard-exclude the harder classes as by their nature they got a larger chance to screw up and wipe the groups. But if the utility-ladden classes were the same DPS as the DPS-only classes but with extra difficulty heaped on top, that'd be a way of balancing it.

Of course this means content can never be balanced to request the utility these classes bring (as otherwise it'd be undoable without them), and that in turn means that most content becomes easier than intended with them, but that's a nearly unsolvable issue regardless. It's always either "Stuff too easy with the better class" vs "Harder class excluded because not better in any way".