Ban premades from frontline, fix all issues

[Mawlzy]

HOWEVER, saying all of that, I like that some people care enough about the mode that I like to actually group up. I think in long terms it makes the game quality higher as it forces people to also group or get better. Sadly not enough people do.

But it doesn't, that's the problem we've been struggling with.

On NA/EU there is a significant group of players who are not going to get better because they have absolutely no reason to. And simply grouping up also doesn't solve anything given some players do that for vote-kick protection so they can goof off.

I do have some optimism that reporting lethargic players is having an impact, partly because a GM contacted me in game to chat about it.

[Aravell]

But it doesn't, that's the problem we've been struggling with.

On NA/EU there is a significant group of players who are not going to get better because they have absolutely no reason to. And simply grouping up also doesn't solve anything given some players do that for vote-kick protection so they can goof off.

I do have some optimism that reporting lethargic players is having an impact, partly because a GM contacted me in game to chat about it.

I assume people refuse to get better because it's socially acceptable by the community to trash on PvP. If it's no longer socially acceptable to throw matches, people will pull up their big boy pants and start trying to win immediately.

[Mawlzy]

I assume people refuse to get better because it's socially acceptable by the community to trash on PvP. If it's no longer socially acceptable to throw matches, people will pull up their big boy pants and start trying to win immediately.

Hmmm. I'd suggest on NA there isn't the social cohesion that gives that kind of social pressure enough clout.

I imagine the best one might do is to compel those just there for the rewards to keep their snarky comments to themselves, find better hiding places, and develop more cunning ways of mooching their XP and rewards while still avoiding combat.

If someone has played a couple of dozen matches and they cannot inflict 100k damage, they're simply not trying IMO. The GMs can then issue a warning. Put in more effort over the next X games or serve a suspension.

This may seem antithetical to FFXIV, but in other modes such as raiding, the players do have agency to set a threshold for competency of their team-mates. In FL we don't; only the GMs have that power.