Prog skipping/lying is going wild this tier.

[Daralii]

I think one wild thing is that people are advertising that they're checking _some_ website to see where you are in the fight, in party finder. People really like living on the edge of the law.

SE has made it abundantly clear that they won't enforce their own rules, so people have stopped caring.

[Volgia]

SE has made it abundantly clear that they won't enforce their own rules, so people have stopped caring.

Sure, but ousting people from parties and playing the instances by checking a third party program and website? That's playing with fire.

[Jamini]

Sure, but ousting people from parties and playing the instances by checking a third party program and website? That's playing with fire.

SE generally needs evidence aquired in-game (chat logs typically) to pursue a ban. Not only that, but typically they don't act if there is any ambiguity whatsoever in a report - because they likely fear the fallout of an erroneous ban. (And, frankly, that's justified. Gaming companies that have subscription play have lost lawsuits against players when they failed to uphold thwir ToS in the past. Worse, Japan had a very big culture around not losing face, and the lost of trust from multiple lost characters or mistaken ban would be amplified tremendously.)

So right now we're in the situation we are now: SE only acts on the most brazen violations, sweeps the rest under the rug, and keeps collecting money.

Personally, I'm just going to eat some low-fat popcorn and giggle at people being foolish and reaping what they sowed.

[Volgia]

SE generally needs evidence aquired in-game (chat logs typically) to pursue a ban. Not only that, but typically they don't act if there is any ambiguity whatsoever in a report - because they likely fear the fallout of an erroneous ban. (And, frankly, that's justified. Gaming companies that have subscription play have lost lawsuits against players when they failed to uphold thwir ToS in the past. Worse, Japan had a very big culture around not losing face, and the lost of trust from multiple lost characters or mistaken ban would be amplified tremendously.)

So right now we're in the situation we are now: SE only acts on the most brazen violations, sweeps the rest under the rug, and keeps collecting money.

Personally, I'm just going to eat some low-fat popcorn and giggle at people being foolish and reaping what they sowed.

You think they will be disciplined or banned? That's kind of funny. I mean I always thought the use of 3rd party programs was like an open secret, so if they weren't blatant about them nothing would be enforced. But like to openly be hostile to other players by using a third party program and ousting them from parties borders on brazen. Like it's already shady when someone is like "Bring allagan melons", but this...

[Luca_]

Sure, but ousting people from parties and playing the instances by checking a third party program and website? That's playing with fire.

Lmao what's SE gonna do about someone "checking passports" in a PF? They won't even go after people with <<Mare Lamentorum>> in their search info despite us all knowing what that means. If they don't care about a giant glowing "HEY I'M MODDING MY GAME LOOK AT ME" sign in your bio they certainly don't care about this. It's all about plausible deniability.

I'm not really a fan of it, I don't check them myself because it's unreliable and screws over console players, but there's no solution unless SE just sends the passport website a C&D or something.

[Enjuden]

Sure, but ousting people from parties and playing the instances by checking a third party program and website? That's playing with fire.

Third party website =/= using a third party program. So you can't use that for evidence regardless.

Honestly, that website was going to be made sooner than later. At least we don't have a public blacklist like JP. Frankly, I'm surprised we don't have one considering how NA loves drama, so that seems perfect.

[Volgia]

Third party website =/= using a third party program. So you can't use that for evidence regardless.

Honestly, that website was going to be made sooner than later. At least we don't have a public blacklist like JP. Frankly, I'm surprised we don't have one considering how NA loves drama, so that seems perfect.

I don't mind the passport system but I'm surprised no one made a sting about it!

[AvoSturmfaust]

SE has made it abundantly clear that they won't enforce their own rules, so people have stopped caring.

It really isnt, i stated more then once that the dmg from someone is not good at all and he isnt carrying his own weight etc etc etc never happen anything, square doesnt really care about it after all its less money for them if they ban someone