Prog skipping/lying is going wild this tier.

[Kaurhz]

Of all suggestions for a solution you go with one that is effectively...

"We need a ToS-friendly clause to allow us to create an Excel spreadsheet/dodgelist."

Ngl.. That's a bit unhinged LOL.

[YukioKobayashi]

Of all suggestions for a solution you go with one that is effectively...

"We need a ToS-friendly clause to allow us to create an Excel spreadsheet/dodgelist."

Ngl.. That's a bit unhinged LOL.

Its unhinged to hop from PF to PF far above the progpoint to single handedly ruin the party within 2 pulls after already waiting for a while to fill.
All this wouldnt be a problem if SE stops actively protecting those players.
Players that are not bad at the game want to be able to point out if someone is holding the group back but we cant because everything you say in partychat nowadays can get you into the GM-Jail. We want to be able to look up playerstats on certain websites before we decide to keep that person in the party but even that is... against the guidelines. The only way to escape from players like this is to just disband the party and open a new one where the circle begins again.

[Kaurhz]

Its unhinged to hop from PF to PF far above the progpoint to single handedly ruin the party within 2 pulls after already waiting for a while to fill.
All this wouldnt be a problem if SE stops actively protecting those players.
Players that are not bad at the game want to be able to point out if someone is holding the group back but we cant because everything you say in partychat nowadays can get you into the GM-Jail. We want to be able to look up playerstats on certain websites before we decide to keep that person in the party but even that is... against the guidelines. The only way to escape from players like this is to just disband the party and open a new one where the circle begins again.

They are both unhinged, it doesn't make your suggestion any better lol. Besides, you don't even need their permission, just go ahead, do it, share it on Reddit, and to other raiding discords... Like, you don't need their permission lmao, it's external to the game... The only thing that is going to happen, is most people will think it's weird, at best.

The problem with this, is people cannot use these things responsibly, so it's all well and good coming in with the "But if they allow us to do it..." - Like... People in this community aren't going to use it responsibly and it's only going to encourage further unhinged and cringe behavior... Like the one person that decided to make an Excel sheet which scalped everyone's post on the healer thread, and then linked with FFLogs to create their own scoring system to turn it into a tool of public shaming.. That is the sort of weird behavior you'd be enabling with an inane suggestion like this.

I get it, people lying is not fun, especially when it impacts your own progress or enjoyment, but this ain't the solution to your suggestion, because people absolutely would go beyond using it as a simple list to determine who to blacklist, and I think you also know that lol.

Square Enix aren't protecting anyone, they just apply their ToS, and lethargy is as much against the ToS as any other activity. If you're being banned for "merely letting someone know they aren't performing well", then the chances are you weren't exactly just telling them that their performance is less than what the duty expects. There are far too many people with self-awareness that seemingly doesn't exist, and in many cases where you do actually get more information, it's more often than not that the sanction applied was justified.

There is no big scary boogieman in the team that is secretly out to get those for communicating underperformance, just as there is no big scary boogieman protecting these people that underperform LOL

[Saraide]

Its unhinged to hop from PF to PF far above the progpoint to single handedly ruin the party within 2 pulls after already waiting for a while to fill.
All this wouldnt be a problem if SE stops actively protecting those players.
Players that are not bad at the game want to be able to point out if someone is holding the group back but we cant because everything you say in partychat nowadays can get you into the GM-Jail. We want to be able to look up playerstats on certain websites before we decide to keep that person in the party but even that is... against the guidelines. The only way to escape from players like this is to just disband the party and open a new one where the circle begins again.

If you have lead you can always just kick em.

[Miohazuki]

Its unhinged to hop from PF to PF far above the progpoint to single handedly ruin the party within 2 pulls after already waiting for a while to fill.
All this wouldnt be a problem if SE stops actively protecting those players.
Players that are not bad at the game want to be able to point out if someone is holding the group back but we cant because everything you say in partychat nowadays can get you into the GM-Jail. We want to be able to look up playerstats on certain websites before we decide to keep that person in the party but even that is... against the guidelines. The only way to escape from players like this is to just disband the party and open a new one where the circle begins again.

Like that has stopped world of warcraft from becoming pug hell .these tools that you talk about do nothing but promote elite toxicity and more wait time .

[YukioKobayashi]

Like that has stopped world of warcraft from becoming pug hell .these tools that you talk about do nothing but promote elite toxicity and more wait time .

Ngl... I rather raid with WoW's toxic pug's than what we have in 14 rn.
Back in Dragonflight when I picked up the game with the release of the first Raid Vault of the Incarnates I did prepare myself for the nHC-Mode, watched guides and pov's. I did clear it. Was i good enough for it and did I pull my weight? Idk. I thought I could do the same for the HC-Mode but without preparing myself with guides ect. I thought it doesnt matter anyway because I'm only DPS and I had 0 responsibility on the nHC mode. I ended up eating shit, being one of the sole reasons why the group wasnt able to clear with me in the party. People pointed out that I'm the issue, that I'm clueless and that I'm not prepared in a rather toxic way. I got kicked and I wasnt even mad about it. I knew that I messed up, that I wasted the other players time and knew that I have to prepare myself for the next attempt.
Now imagine they would have acted like the FF raiding community and just disbanded the entire Raid. I wouldnt have learned from it and would have done it probably again. Thats the issue 14 has. Prog liars are not getting punished for their actions and will not stop doing it. I want to get shit done in a reasonable time and not waste over a week on something that could have been done in 1-2 Days because of selfish thinking prog skippers.

[Kohashi]

Ngl... I rather raid with WoW's toxic pug's than what we have in 14 rn.
Back in Dragonflight when I picked up the game with the release of the first Raid Vault of the Incarnates I did prepare myself for the nHC-Mode, watched guides and pov's. I did clear it. Was i good enough for it and did I pull my weight? Idk. I thought I could do the same for the HC-Mode but without preparing myself with guides ect. I thought it doesnt matter anyway because I'm only DPS and I had 0 responsibility on the nHC mode. I ended up eating shit, being one of the sole reasons why the group wasnt able to clear with me in the party. People pointed out that I'm the issue, that I'm clueless and that I'm not prepared in a rather toxic way. I got kicked and I wasnt even mad about it. I knew that I messed up, that I wasted the other players time and knew that I have to prepare myself for the next attempt.
Now imagine they would have acted like the FF raiding community and just disbanded the entire Raid. I wouldnt have learned from it and would have done it probably again. Thats the issue 14 has. Prog liars are not getting punished for their actions and will not stop doing it. I want to get shit done in a reasonable time and not waste over a week on something that could have been done in 1-2 Days because of selfish thinking prog skippers.

While toxic positivity is very present in PF and kind of in the FF14 community overall, I don't think flaming/being toxic to prog liars will achieve much anyway. They can just mute you/ not read the chat, and carry on with the prog lying. The only viable solution is for people to actively use the block/blacklist function a lot more. Only by denying entrance, they will perhaps understand that their behavior is bad.

[AshtonCrowe]

Its unhinged to hop from PF to PF far above the progpoint to single handedly ruin the party within 2 pulls after already waiting for a while to fill.
All this wouldnt be a problem if SE stops actively protecting those players.
Players that are not bad at the game want to be able to point out if someone is holding the group back but we cant because everything you say in partychat nowadays can get you into the GM-Jail. We want to be able to look up playerstats on certain websites before we decide to keep that person in the party but even that is... against the guidelines. The only way to escape from players like this is to just disband the party and open a new one where the circle begins again.

I don't think chat should be moderated unless it's Sexual in nature, Game is rated T for Teen. Average Teenager in the modern era has access to way worse stuff than we did in the PS2 Era. If you can't handle being called out you shouldn't play the hardest content in an MMORPG. At the same time, SE shouldn't lock cool looking stuff behind raids. Make the cosmetic craftable for an insane cost like 99 Darksteel HQ Nuggets + 50 Current expansion HQ Leather + 50 Current Expansion Desynthesis only juice + 60 Demimateria 3 & some high tier materia from current expansion for good measure.

Give raiders engraved gear (The weapon has raid name somewhere on it) and give everyone else the standard version, This satisifes both parties and keeps the average user out of raids. I want to raid but do not have a static, And know i won't be quiet in chat cause i'm from the OG CoD era so i'd be getting banned by playing with publics & I don't trust the average FC in this game after all the nonsense drama i've gotten pulled into over the years. If you aren't 24/7 happy go lucky you get tunnel visioned for stupidity.

I wouldn't want to attempt that level of difficulty with the average user who still after all this time can't figure out Aurum Vale mechanics, Or wipe repeatedly to the Ascian Prime fight despite braindead easy "Get far away from partner to break chain" mechanic.

SE Actively makes toxicity by forcing you to do High End for the coolest stuff in-game, Give people the cosmetic. If you want the cool glowing raid name on it? Then it's time to GIT GUD, But otherwise the cosmetic alone would satisfy most people.

That or start making normal weapons look cool instead of A.I Recolors, Almost everything in Dawntrail looks like hot garbage weapon wise, Was the same for Endwalker.