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    If tomorrow you take any DPS job and turn it into a singe damage button, that's competitive enough and viable, you'll have everybody flocking to it. You'll also have a gigantic uproar everywhere how it's awful, but you'll still have everybody going for it nonetheless because most players take the path of least resistance. They want their loot and their clear. That's a universal variable that you'll find both in casual and challenging content.

    In challenging content you'll also have class power and meta considerations, but in casual why do you think most jobs we see are dancers and summoners? And on the healer side? White mages everywhere, followed by sages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    If tomorrow you take any DPS job and turn it into a singe damage button, that's competitive enough and viable, you'll have everybody flocking to it. You'll also have a gigantic uproar everywhere how it's awful, but you'll still have everybody going for it nonetheless because most players take the path of least resistance. They want their loot and their clear. That's a universal variable that you'll find both in casual and challenging content.

    In challenging content you'll also have class power and meta considerations, but in casual why do you think most jobs we see are dancers and summoners? And on the healer side? White mages everywhere, followed by sages?
    Forgive my bluntness but I don't think they made changes based on casual content, as in fact they outright stated for savage content to have extended periods of movement was the reason they simplified Black Mage. So in the interest of consistency and understanding the direction intended by the devs, I think it's only fair to compare same types of content. In this case we're looking at savage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aysin View Post
    Forgive my bluntness but I don't think they made changes based on casual content, as in fact they outright stated for savage content to have extended periods of movement was the reason they simplified Black Mage. So in the interest of consistency and understanding the direction intended by the devs, I think it's only fair to compare same types of content. In this case we're looking at savage.
    So why did they make PCT less mobile in the exact same patch
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    So why did they make PCT less mobile in the exact same patch
    Oh that's easy, they don't understand potency per second, miscalculated hammer vs standard rotation, and just assumed people will do what they used to while playing PCT, they did not intend to change the playstyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aysin View Post
    Oh that's easy, they don't understand potency per second, miscalculated hammer vs standard rotation, and just assumed people will do what they used to while playing PCT, they did not intend to change the playstyle.
    So we should be trusting them with job reworks for reasons they can barely substantiate while we can’t trust them to understand PPS

    Yeah we are doomed
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    How is SMN a good example of this
    Easy, because People play it anyway, they simply don't care much beyond the surface and thats the part to understand. Most players playing the game aren't as invested in job complexity and skill expression. They just want a comfort pick. So no matter how braindead the SMN class is. The job still sees tons of play

    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    If tomorrow you take any DPS job and turn it into a singe damage button, that's competitive enough and viable, you'll have everybody flocking to it. You'll also have a gigantic uproar everywhere how it's awful, but you'll still have everybody going for it nonetheless because most players take the path of least resistance. They want their loot and their clear. That's a universal variable that you'll find both in casual and challenging content.

    In challenging content you'll also have class power and meta considerations, but in casual why do you think most jobs we see are dancers and summoners? And on the healer side? White mages everywhere, followed by sages?
    Exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    Easy, because People play it anyway, they simply don't care much beyond the surface and thats the part to understand. Most players playing the game aren't as invested in job complexity and skill expression. They just want a comfort pick. So no matter how braindead the SMN class is. The job still sees tons of play



    Exactly
    But it doesn’t, SMN is the least popular caster by a pretty wide margin right now
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by MangoSimulation View Post
    black mage got shot
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTcv2_JqHSw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    But it doesn’t, SMN is the least popular caster by a pretty wide margin right now
    Do you have an actual metric for that and please don't show fflogs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayfinder3 View Post
    Do you have an actual metric for that and please don't show fflogs
    Do you have an actual metric and don’t show a completely valid metric

    SMN is the least popular in savage, it’s the least popular in FRU, its second least popular in juneo (surprisingly PCT is least popular) and it’s the least popular in dungeons

    Like do you have a metric that disproves FFlogs
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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