Trying to play MCH with PUG's is pure agony.

[YukioKobayashi]

"You cannot join the party as your current class/job."


MCH is weak damagewise compared to DNC/BRD in every group that can press buttons but so is RDM/SMN compared to PCT/BLM and they are not getting locked out.
Please dont come with "but they have a battleraise!" .. yes.. and MCH has the better mitigation for prog with Dismantle. Improvisation is a joke and Minne doesnt prevent you from dying if you get oneshot.

This needs to stop. Rant over.

[Jamini]

The issue is that literally all physical ranged classes have been in the gutter for multiple expansions, and MCH is functionally the worst of the lot.

Melee get "rewarded" for maintaining uptime...on bosses you have to try to disengage from.

Casters get "rewarded" for having cast bars... When they all have more mobility than BRD/MCH.

Physical Ranged jobs are taxed about 10% damage for functionally no reason, and the 1% pity buff to damage they provide by existing is lower than the penalty they get for being ranged.

Ergo, there is no reason to bring a physical ranged to a party when you can just bring another Melee, Caster, or a battle rez.

People are seeing this and doing the only logical thing: Denying the worst performing job by a mile party slots

"Look Forward to It "

[brinn12]

It's just pointless to complain about it at this point. People have been doing this for 7 tiers and SE has turned deaf. It's not even like MCH has different issues now, they've always been the same since the rework.

[ONLYSTEEL]

Physical Ranged jobs are taxed about 10% damage for functionally no reason, and the 1% pity buff to damage they provide by existing is lower than the penalty they get for being ranged.

Ergo, there is no reason to bring a physical ranged to a party when you can just bring another Melee, Caster, or a battle rez.

That's not true. You bring a phys ranged to the party for FFLogs.

You exist purely to pad someone else's numbers.

[ONLYSTEEL]

"You cannot join the party as your current class/job."


MCH is weak damagewise compared to DNC/BRD in every group that can press buttons but so is RDM/SMN compared to PCT/BLM and they are not getting locked out.
Please dont come with "but they have a battleraise!" .. yes.. and MCH has the better mitigation for prog with Dismantle. Improvisation is a joke and Minne doesnt prevent you from dying if you get oneshot.

This needs to stop. Rant over.

Sorry, you aren't there to provide "mitigation" or "utility". You aren't even there to boost raid damage (since it got to the point where it can even be a net loss to bring a phys ranged). You are there to pad someone else's numbers, to give them that 1% so they can go from grey to green.

[HyperiusUltima]

You’re actually just there to be a body at this point. Physical Ranged has gone from something that’s good to basically “muh 1%” in a couple expansions. The most glaring issue though is Physical Ranged is basically the “I’m bad at the game” role with where I’ve seen it memed. It’s sad to say it this way, but honestly there’s no payoff for playing PRanged in Savage anymore.

[Espon]

It's funny how it took them all of EW of giving machinist tiny buffs until they were almost at a reasonable spot, then they repeated the exact same mistake in DT.

Unfortunately don't expect any physical ranged buffs until 7.21 at earliest, but 7.25 seems more likely (and by more likely I don't mean guaranteed).

M8S has been cleared week 1 with machinists, though. With people upgrading their gear each week, enrage checks become less and less of an issue. If a machinist doing 250 less DPS than a bard or dancer is causing your group to wipe, then the problem is more likely because too many people keep getting damage down debuffs.

[Jamini]

It's funny how it took them all of EW of giving machinist tiny buffs until they were almost at a reasonable spot, then they repeated the exact same mistake in DT.

Unfortunately don't expect any physical ranged buffs until 7.21 at earliest, but 7.25 seems more likely (and by more likely I don't mean guaranteed).

M8S has been cleared week 1 with machinists, though. With people upgrading their gear each week, enrage checks become less and less of an issue. If a machinist doing 250 less DPS than a bard or dancer is causing your group to wipe, then the problem is more likely because too many people keep getting damage down debuffs.

Quite a few prog groups are hitting sub 1% enrage. The loss of damage bringing a MCH can be the deciding factor in early PF for a clear or a wasted lockout.

[ForteNightshade]

Quite a few prog groups are hitting sub 1% enrage. The loss of damage bringing a MCH can be the deciding factor in early PF for a clear or a wasted lockout.

Not to mention, in the early weeks, meta comps matter that much more because they can make up for damage downs or deaths. For a lot of people, it's just not worth taking Machinist over Bard/Dancer because it quite literally offers nothing. How this job has been in the gutter for so long is almost impressive.

[Basteala]

Casters get "rewarded" for having cast bars... When they all have more mobility than BRD/MCH.

I'm gonna fight you on that for Black Mage. Yes we have Aetherial Manipulation. It's also ass. Literally a lot of the AoE's and gotcha mechanics are so fast, and safe zones so tight that your average person is either going to be a hair too slow with Manipulation to escape, or worse, you'll pull it off on time, but still get hit because you're put NEXT to your target, not on it. That's far more problematic when targeting a player as opposed to, say, a gap closer.