Trying to play MCH with PUG's is pure agony.

[Jamini]

How many clears of M6S, M7S and M8S in week 1 had no physical range? In week 2? M5S is not the best example for this since the first fight tends to have lenient DPS and mitigation checks.

In the previous tier, BRD was quite close to melee, for instance, so avoiding the bonus was quite detrimental.

FRU has been cleared with four PCT, no healers or no tanks, yet it doesn't mean that it is optimal to do so.

A casual look at bard from 0-80th percentile will show bard was quite far behind melee. Oddly MCH was above water last tier until the 90th percentile due to how they work as a selfish DPS

Sticking your head in the sand and screaming physical ranged are fine won't make them fine, nor will it encourage people to allow MCH into their parties.

The solution is on CBU3 to actually fix ranged damage - by removing the pointless ranged tax.

[Soldier76]

Oddly MCH was above water last tier until the 90th percentile due to how they work as a selfish DPS

This is the eternal problem in FF14.

Regular players using their buffs randomly think the meta applies to them. Even in HW and SB that was the case. MCH is much stronger for most groups than BRD or DNC because most groups do not coordinate buffs well, even in EW when it's braindead to do so.

[Jamini]

This is the eternal problem in FF14.

Regular players using their buffs randomly think the meta applies to them. Even in HW and SB that was the case. MCH is much stronger for most groups than BRD or DNC because most groups do not coordinate buffs well, even in EW when it's braindead to do so.

Be mindful I'm referring to on-content savage clears. Pretty much everyone in that content is syncing up buff windows to some extent.

Generally it's around the 50th percentile (top 50% of clears) where buff classes start to reach parity with MCH.

That said, the total contribution to damage (accounting for buffs)is simply too low in prange. Imo in an ideal setting buff jos should be ahead of selfish jobs in total contributed damage...as simply stacking all buff classes is by its nature not ideal for a buff class (They need people to feed buffs to). MCH should generally be just below melee (around where NIN and PCT currently sits, if memory serves).

[YukioKobayashi]

The solution is on CBU3 to actually fix ranged damage - by removing the pointless ranged tax.

The ranged tax is not pointless, removing it would only result in triple ranged comps in fights designed around 4 melee + 4 ranged jobs.
We have been there already not to long ago in e8s with the already existing ranged-tax.
A melee should always deal more damage with full uptime. SE needs to give us fights that take melee uptime away so they break even with ranged jobs.

[Jamini]

E8 also didn't have a hitbox the size of the moon orbit and melees had to worry more about dropping positionals.

Apples to oranges when many people argue MCH/BRD are some of the more complicated jobs in the game to play well and won't touch them.

Let's also not forget that bard and machinst are two less mobile jobs. MCH has zero mobility abilities, and bard has repelling shot- meanwhile smudge and AM both exist and pretty much every melee is loaded with dashes.

[AvoSturmfaust]

Then you are part of the problem aswell. Locking out jobs in a public partyfinder, not considering individual playerskill and raid experience only because you think that x-job does his job better makes you in my opinion a really bad player.
When im a partylead I would take a good player on a non meta job over a bad player chasing the meta any day. It's not only the job that does the damage, its the player who is pressing the buttons and I'm not risking getting someone on DNC who has no idea how to play this job because they are a MCH Main being basically forced to play it.

Or like i said people have just preferences, you see the first thing you did was yet again to judge meta, but did i say something about "i only take meta player"? I locked blm out because the possibility to find a GOOD blm player is way way waaaaaaaaay lower then to find a actually good one and after getting trapped and trapped over and over again i just locked them out, does that have something to do with meta? no does that something to do with PREFERENCES`? Yes and btw even when the PF is public, the moment i open a group its MY decision what i wanna have in my group and what not, has nothing to do with meta

[Aco505]

Not only MCH is suffering, BRD apparently aswell. What kind of plague do people need to have to come up with shit like this?

m6s reclear btw, not prog, not first clear

It's been reported that some groups were locking double VPR, too. It's just the player base mentality of going with the path of least resistance.

[brinn12]

Physical ranged jobs just cannot win with SE. Players were asking for more melee downtime, but as a consequence, the ranged tax was increased so much this patch that the taxed jobs feel weaker. On top of that, there's ranged downtime, and ranged jobs are forced to single-target in situations where melees are free to AoE. Machinist suffers the most, of course. The higher the ranged tax, the more this job will suffer due to not being able to buff the relevant DPS jobs.

While it is fair and necessary to have a ranged tax, SE has never designed high-end content that justifies it being 10% or more.

[mallleable]

Phys ranged cannot wait until 8.0 for big changes, they need to be fixed now. MCH, and BRD are not doing so hot this tier so it's no wonder that DNC is so popular. BRD lacks the buff power, and personal damage compared to DNC, and MCH doesn't synergize as well, and lacks aoe damage compared to DNC. The role is dying.

[BelegErkhten]

If you can't find a PF that will let you join, I highly recommend making your own Party finder
I've been told it dramatically increases the speed at which you clear.

MCH could definitely use a buff though. The Automaton Queen should be able to use Full Metal Field just like you can, and Wildfire should be an AoE just like it is in PVP.
AoE on MCH was BUFFED last patch but its still very awkward to use when the two strongest buttons that you have are both single target.

Esteem does AoE Damage why can't my gundam do that too?

All Square really needs to do to make Phys ranged relevant is just to add more phases with ads who need to be interrupted.
Everyone will shut up the moment the devs make it so you NEED someone other than the tanks to press interject.