Tired of PF limited content

[Kandraxx]

Could just make the game to take and develop actual skill, game knowledge and brain instead of script memorization, that would fix your problem with hard 'prog points'. How theres still people around eating up this garbage Yoshida serves them is beyond me.

[Colt47]

Finding people at the same prog points is not as difficult as you're saying (unless you mean for old content from 2.x-6.x). I've had no trouble on any data center I've played on. But as you said, it may be the case that you'll only find it on Aether/Light/Mana at the moment due to the DC travel issue.

You do have another option as well, which is joining prog for a mechanic a bit before the one you're at. For example, if you're stuck at a mechanic near the start of the fight, the fresh prog party will probably get to it pretty fast. And if they don't get there clean, you can still practice things such as the movement for it in many cases.

As for the "game slowing", it's not showing in the raiding community (unsurprising, since the lacking content argument is aimed at non-raid content). PFs for High-End duties on Aether still often see 150 (currently 199). There are also some parties for the current expansion Extremes like Valigarmanda.

They should drop the need for all 8 people in the party to have not cleared for the week to get full loot though, because they could just make the people that cleared automatically roll Need and then it go into a void if they win the roll.

You're on Aether so it makes sense you would say that. Outside of Aether things are anemic to the point that even doing EX trials can take two weeks or more to clear. That and going to other games that did multiplayer correctly kind of showed how backwards FFXIV's approach can be. Albeit, this might be more a comment on the limitations of an MMO system that is over a decade old.

[Colt47]

Could just make the game to take and develop actual skill, game knowledge and brain instead of script memorization, that would fix your problem with hard 'prog points'. How theres still people around eating up this garbage Yoshida serves them is beyond me.

Heck, people need to record fights using discord or third party software just to check what exactly happened. Can you imagine how few people would be doing savage if youtube didn't exist and there were no videos? The clear rates would be so low that we'd be hitting next major content patch and the majority would be stuck on the second or third fight, if they are lucky.

[Jeeqbit]

You're on Aether so it makes sense you would say that. Outside of Aether things are anemic

Everyone knows that's a problem at the moment and that SE will be slow as a snail to fix it, but ultimately the answer is to just go to Aether or find whatever secondary data center people are using if it won't let you travel there.

people need to record fights using discord or third party software just to check what exactly happened.

Well firstly, we have those things so it's alright, and I see no shortage of blind PFs lately, and there's always been lots of statics that do it blind and come up with their own strats (I've talked to plenty of them over the years and still saw blind statics recruiting last time I looked).

You're right though that it would be pretty difficult to work out what's going on in many cases if you couldn't record and slow it down. Not necessarily impossible but it could make it take hundreds more pulls to just get a glance at what's going on, depending on the fight. Slowing it down reveals everything from snapshot resolve order and the possible patterns (since patterns are typically a fixed number of possibilities ie. 2, 4, 6, etc).

However there are cases where you can work things out based on the battle log or linking status effects from the battle log, and reading the descriptions, and seeing the timers on status effects, which can be helped with screenshots as well.

Can you imagine how few people would be doing savage if youtube didn't exist and there were no videos?

You're probably right, but if that were the case, the content would probably be designed very differently. The reality is we have had game guides since even the 1990s. Take a look at the old guides on GameFAQs and GameRevolution. The final fantasy games back then had them, giving all the top strats for the bosses.

there is also the problem of gear to minimum ilvl like I feel gearing is hard for no reason

No it's not. Assuming someone is starting out, there is free artifact gear of 690. The previous dungeon drops 705 gear. Using 690 gear, M1-M4 can be farmed for 710 gear and Jeuno can be farmed for 720 gear.

What have people been doing for 4 months though? They had weekly-cap tomestones and an alliance raid dropping 720 gear weekly, with free 730 augments from the alliance raid. They can now farm those tomestones via roulettes for 720 gear and augment it to 730 via hunt farming for Sacks of Nuts or alliance raids.

Once they reach 715 (which they should be higher than by now), they can do M5-M8 for 740 right side pieces, then cap weekly tomestones for a 750 right side piece.

This would cause them to meet the minimum ilvl of the Extreme and Savage (730). I don't look positively at anyone wearing 730 gear in such raids when 740 gear is free, but if you are really struggling to gear as much as you say, you will probably get away with being 730 because a lot of people won't check.

On a fresh alt character that just beat Dawntrail, I'd be 740 in a day, for no gil at all.

[Nero-Voidstails]

740 without gils? and like I said some people doesn't like crafting but true gonna be a white knight and only see one side

[Rainfallen]

740 without gils? and like I said some people doesn't like crafting but true gonna be a white knight and only see one side

They're right though, there's an easy way to get 740 gear:
Normal raids. The cruiserweight normal mode gear is 740. You can also ask any of the crafter friends you know who may only ask for the mats you spend tomes on.
I've been far too lazy to grab the stuff for the cruiserweight normal mode stuff since my main roles this tier have their crafted gear, but it IS free. Time-consuming? Yes, but free.

[Jeeqbit]

740 without gils? and like I said some people doesn't like crafting but true gonna be a white knight and only see one side

This has nothing to do with white knighting. You do not need to craft to be 740, and you do not need to be 740 in the first place if you're that casual and lacking gil. I met someone in the new ex that was 730 and we cleared anyways.

Gear does not cost millions, that is only for pentamelds, which are not even required. Just meld the normal 2 slots if that's all you can manage. Materia is free from dungeons, extracting, hunt and FATE farming, etc.

Between 2 weeks of weekly tome gear, 6 pieces of gear from the normal raid (2 weeks of loot), and the new ex weapon, I'd be 740 pretty quick and I'd sell stuff to make the gil to buy the ultra cheap crafted gear that gets as low as 200k gil if you visit different worlds for prices.

[Colt47]

Pentamelds are not "required", but most groups are going to tell people to pentameld if they are serious unless it's weeks into the tier and folks have decent gear from other methods. It's been that way for years and the only time it wasn't the case was probably the first two tiers I ran during shadowbringers, long before they allowed DC travel and it was a different culture then.

The issue with basically all the "we put this here for end game so people grind and keep paying a sub" content is that it is strictly worse arcade game style artificial difficulty by making sure that there is no way to know what is coming until it hits the player and making sure that hit causes a restart of the fight. It is strictly worse because it takes 8 people organized to do the content with specific roles, which also takes time to recruit for, and the length of the fights with no rewards for partial completion. It's an all or nothing gamble and it causes a lot of friction between players because of it. Also the skinner box style / sunken time fallacy type of binding that drives the content has a double edged sword kind of effect. If someone drops out over an extended break, they basically are less likely to come back after seeing it for what it is. FFXIV *was* the lesser of the two evils at one point but now kind of is the evil since all the other ones dropped out of the race.

[Asari5]

you cant reach 740 (without gil) in one day even if you were fully 730 before... what new chars arent.

[Jeeqbit]

you cant reach 740 (without gil) in one day even if you were fully 730 before... what new chars arent.

Let's assume they are 730 since you actually can do that in a day, and let's assume it's not long before the weekly reset time:

• 4 right side 740 pieces from M5-M8.
• 1 750 right side from weekly tomestones.
• 2 left side pieces (ie. head and arms) from M5-M8 after weekly reset.
• 1 750 left side piece (ie. feet) from weekly tomestones after reset.
• 1 745 weapon from clearing the latest extreme trial.

You'd have 2 pieces of gear that are not 740 or higher, and 3 that are higher, potentially lifting the overall ilvl to there or near there. And that's in one day.

You can make the gil for missing gear by methods such as selling new crafting materials - which you can buy with your old Heliometry tomestones. I've done it on my casual returner-icon alts in the past and got ready to join savage clear parties in 1 day.

Pentamelds are not "required", but most groups are going to tell people to pentameld if they are serious

Depends who you hang out with, but in my experience, NA PUGs never even bring the subject up and a lot of statics are friendly/lgbt/chill/casual type of statics so they probably wouldn't press you on it either.

A static might flat out craft it and meld it for you since most players are crafters (if you don't believe me, say you need your gear fixed and half your party will offer to fix it).