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  1. #11
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    Rithy255's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    If you're claiming Shake it Off is irrelevant in high-end content, the one who doesn't do it must be you.

    Anyway, the vast majority of this game is "casual" content. The argument that it doesn't matter makes no sense.
    I mean shake it off is primary used for the shield in high end, because mitigation

    But the problem with this youtube statement is the fact that if it "only matters for casual content" then why would people care if it was reduced? It's almost like fun in casual content is important... and do you know what's not fun, tanks (mostly warrior) having so much sustain that you'll never need to even ogcd heal once.

    Casual content should be fun for every role. This argument is basically well warriors or other tanks fun should exceed healer roles (although I personally don't find warriors amount of self healing fun).

    I also think warrior should be lowest damage anyway because of how often it gets it's invul to cheese mechs compared to any other tank in highend, but warrior mains will cry about being 4th dps despite having the best invul best sustain and mitigation on par with other tanks.
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    Last edited by Rithy255; 04-02-2025 at 03:58 PM.

  2. #12
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    Carighan Maconar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    I also think warrior should be lowest damage anyway because of how often it gets it's invul to cheese mechs compared to any other tank in highend, but warrior mains will cry about being 4th dps despite having the best invul best sustain and mitigation on par with other tanks.
    I'd actually dislike that, simply because it doesn't feel... fitting? It's a Warrior, if anything it should be highest damage, especially given its animations. Of course I'd also give Warriors the least damage avoidance and reduction, simply because I'd essentially not give them a lot. They'd be health sponges, what old Bare Durids were in WoW, tanking by simply surviving the damage, not avoiding/mitigating it, soaking up healer mana in return but also being "quite safe" since nothing can kill you quickly. Beefcake tank mode.
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  3. #13
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Maybe Warrior should recover hp based on damage taken more since the idea seems to be its hp wildly fluctuates throughout a fight? Macrocosmos exists so it's not an entirely foreign concept at least.

    Problem would be that they can't design tankbusters to do enough damage to one-shot tanks if that were the only tool it had though. Same issue WHM suffers, really. Can't heal hp back up if they're dead.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    I'd actually dislike that, simply because it doesn't feel... fitting? It's a Warrior, if anything it should be highest damage, especially given its animations. Of course I'd also give Warriors the least damage avoidance and reduction, simply because I'd essentially not give them a lot. They'd be health sponges, what old Bare Durids were in WoW, tanking by simply surviving the damage, not avoiding/mitigating it, soaking up healer mana in return but also being "quite safe" since nothing can kill you quickly. Beefcake tank mode.
    Well warriors make no sense in the first place they are the tank most about healing allies lol. The whole identity of the job is currently "I heal my allies and protect them with the power of anger!"

    And if Warrior wants to fit its fantasy of Big axe and Big damage, they'd have to lose something honestly Holm gang should be way longer then it is for starters.
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  5. #15
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    Lucretia Ryusagi
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    If you're claiming Shake it Off is irrelevant in high-end content, the one who doesn't do it must be you.
    what a dumb thing to say...
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  6. #16
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arohk View Post
    what a dumb thing to say...
    Why is it a dumb thing to say

    Shake is literally the strongest healing CD of any class in the game for its usability/CD and its healing
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Why is it a dumb thing to say

    Shake is literally the strongest healing CD of any class in the game for its usability/CD and its healing
    From all the things you you could choose you pick the Party Mitigation, which no one even mentioned.

    Every tank has this:

    paladin has an instant heal + shield
    warrior has a shield + hot
    gunbreaker and dark knight have a 10%/5% damage reduction.
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arohk View Post
    From all the things you you could choose you pick the Party Mitigation, which no one even mentioned.

    Every tank has this:

    paladin has an instant heal + shield
    warrior has a shield + hot
    gunbreaker and dark knight have a 10%/5% damage reduction.


    Edit: And here's what it should look like.

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    Last edited by Kabooa; 04-03-2025 at 01:30 AM.

  9. #19
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    300 potency is ~6% of the warrior health lul.
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    Allie Millfleurx
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    I do agree that the tanks' sustain kits are pretty bloated, but I would rather see the devs tune encounter damage output so that our sustain is worth keeping around, than removing the sustain entirely and leaving damage instances too low for it to matter
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