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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    You are confusing "the WoL did a thing" with "the story is about the WoL". None of the previous expansions centered the WoL at the center of the story.
    You can make arguments for any of them but if ShB isn’t about the WOL then who the hell is it about
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You can make arguments for any of them but if ShB isn’t about the WOL then who the hell is it about
    Emet Selch and the Crystal Exarch primarily. Ryne, Ardbert and Elidibus secondarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You can make arguments for any of them but if ShB isn’t about the WOL then who the hell is it about
    It's about the warrior of darkness, duh.

    Seriously though, the player character has always been the main character, hence y'know, you playing them. You're watching/experiencing the journey of the WoL 99% of the time. The primary narrative of every story in the game is filtered through your character, not someone else. The fact that other people have more backstory for why they do something is inconsequential. It'd be like suggesting that Martin is the main character of Oblivion because he's the most prominent NPC despite the entire rest of the massive game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    It's about the warrior of darkness, duh.

    Seriously though, the player character has always been the main character, hence y'know, you playing them. You're watching/experiencing the journey of the WoL 99% of the time. The primary narrative of every story in the game is filtered through your character, not someone else. The fact that other people have more backstory for why they do something is inconsequential. It'd be like suggesting that Martin is the main character of Oblivion because he's the most prominent NPC despite the entire rest of the massive game.
    You're describing a point of view character. That's not the same thing as a protagonist or main character (in terms of story focus).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    You're describing a point of view character. That's not the same thing as a protagonist or main character (in terms of story focus).
    Being a POV character doesn't exclude them from being the main character and in fact a lot of POV characters are considered the main characters of their respective tales. Pokemon's Red, Zelda's Link, as a few examples.

    I know you think you're clever with the whole "Uhmn actually the WoL is not the main character" but by every sense of the definition, they are. Perhaps you are the one confusing what a protagonist is and what a main character is? Because if you look it up, you'll see the WoL is the definition of a main character. Protagonists and main characters are different after all (if we're going to be pedantic). Emet and G'raha are protagonists/antagonists, but they're not main characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
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    Rude, so not interested in discussing this with you tbh.

    All I'm saying is centering a story on a blank canvas silent character like the WoL because they are habitually a passive agent, do not engage in ideological dialogue, have very limited modes of expression, and can only feature limited growth of character to avoid infringing on player self-insertion. Please don't respond to this, cheers.
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