I missed when XIV gave me any amount of passion.

[Azurarok]

Also Monster Hunter does this splendidly with the different weapon classes. You have the classes with really simple controls like hammer and greatsword, then some with absurdly intricate mechanics and combo trees like the gunlance or charge blade. They're all really fun and still viable with their own unique risks and rewards.

I can't use a longsword, bow, dualblades, either bowguns, or greatsword worth shit, but that's all fine because I have hammer, horn, and gunce.

If I wanted to get into any other class I'd actually want to learn it and get my ass handed to me until I get it. I want to understand why they're loved by the people who main them and learn to enjoy it with them.

[Carighan]

Have you considered though that you've also been playing for a lot of years and by this point the game is, by and large, just rote? This naturally means that most excitement has to come from social elements, and even those get rote after a while. Progressing from playing together to raiding together is a big step. Eventually going more organized is another one. Then fights become more complex. Eventually you do ultimate or criterion savage. But then after a while you've seen it all. And you'll notice that even games that continuously make classes more and more complex (GW2 for example) show this, which makes no sense given the premise, that ought to not elicit this, right? Classes only get more complex and broad over time there, and yet people also get bored by them (source: me).

The thing is just... this is a good sign that you're done with the game. You've played it for long enough. MMORPGs have a shelf life like any other game. I started playing M59, went EQ1, DAoC, WoW, GW2 and now FFXIV. Many of these I've played for 4-8 years, but eventually they lose their steam, and that's normal. That's a good thing. Too many awesome games to play to be stuck on one you've seen everything in.

[Azurarok]

Have you considered though that you've also been playing for a lot of years and by this point the game is, by and large, just rote? This naturally means that most excitement has to come from social elements, and even those get rote after a while. Progressing from playing together to raiding together is a big step. Eventually going more organized is another one. Then fights become more complex. Eventually you do ultimate or criterion savage. But then after a while you've seen it all. And you'll notice that even games that continuously make classes more and more complex (GW2 for example) show this, which makes no sense given the premise, that ought to not elicit this, right? Classes only get more complex and broad over time there, and yet people also get bored by them (source: me).

The thing is just... this is a good sign that you're done with the game. You've played it for long enough. MMORPGs have a shelf life like any other game. I started playing M59, went EQ1, DAoC, WoW, GW2 and now FFXIV. Many of these I've played for 4-8 years, but eventually they lose their steam, and that's normal. That's a good thing. Too many awesome games to play to be stuck on one you've seen everything in.

Maybe the people who got bored should've thought about putting the game down and moving on instead of trying out a job that wasn't made specifically for them and asking them to be turned into the same job that they got bored of and get bored again

[Carighan]

Maybe the people who got bored should've thought about putting the game down and moving on instead of trying out a job that wasn't made specifically for them and asking them to be turned into the same job that they got bored of and get bored again

Entirely missing the point? I was giving general life-advise about shelf life of games, not about whatever BLM-based self flaggelation you're trying to bring in. You mention Monster Hunter, compare how many hundreds of hours you play one MH game until you move onto the next one. It's exactly the same with MMORPGs. They can last much longer, but they will eventually have run their course, as individual games. That's just the way it is. And I say this after 26 years of MMOs now.

[Azurarok]

Entirely missing the point? I was giving general life-advise about shelf life of games, not about whatever BLM-based self flaggelation you're trying to bring in. You mention Monster Hunter, compare how many hundreds of hours you play one MH game until you move onto the next one. It's exactly the same with MMORPGs. They can last much longer, but they will eventually have run their course, as individual games. That's just the way it is. And I say this after 26 years of MMOs now.

Yeah because you're saying my not liking their job gutting is me getting bored of the game.

[Carighan]

Yeah because you're saying my not liking their job gutting is me getting bored of the game.

Ooooh, I'm sorry, I did not want to sound like I'm directly replying to you in the first post, but I can see why it sounded like that. >.<

[Qyoon]

SQE is trying to make us believe it takes years to work on a video game jobs modifications.
Either they have a super small team with no budget or they are lying to us and both is really sad.
They have just decided to balance everything by lowering the skill cap and make it slowly so people don't realise it too quick.
Their goal is to anihilate what makes each job unique, so it's easier to balance and create PVE content.
Then picking a job will just become an aesthetic decision since each jobs does exactly the same as others with only different VFX.