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    Auro_Seldaris's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    This must be trolling or something.

    More than a decade with the same cast to the point that the director doesn't even know where to put them anymore and there is absolutely nothing else left to explore their development in the story and yet you want more of the same?
    How is it trolling ? Those actions/situations would be infinitely more interesting than more Wuk Lamat rambling about peas and happyness and tacos. Or more OBVIOUSLY EVIL SPEEN. Or more Sad Lizard Kid.

    At any rate.... Yoshida created the problem himself. By several accounts, Ishikawa wanted to actually kill them off in EW, at least the Big 3. Yoshida vehemently disagreed, his producer brain reasoning being "But I need them for Trust System". So they were kept, out of perceived necessity, even though their arcs (barring Y'shtola) were mostly resolved. Hence the weird limbo where they're not dead, but they don't really have any idea what to do now. Hence their weird, half-hearted inclusion in DT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syrun View Post
    They should have stayed dead at the end of EW
    For dramatic and thematic reasons, I actually agree with this, with the exception of maybe Y'shtola, whose arc isn't even done. But here we are, in a Limbo of Yoshida's own making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris View Post
    At any rate.... Yoshida created the problem himself. By several accounts, Ishikawa wanted to actually kill them off in EW, at least the Big 3. Yoshida vehemently disagreed, his producer brain reasoning being "But I need them for Trust System". So they were kept, out of perceived necessity, even though their arcs (barring Y'shtola) were mostly resolved. Hence the weird limbo where they're not dead, but they don't really have any idea what to do now. Hence their weird, half-hearted inclusion in DT.
    Where is the source of that? Because I don't think that's true.
    I looked it up and only found this interview about Ishikawa talking about how the ending went precisely how she wanted it to go.

    Having the Scions give their lives in the struggle against Meteion in Ultima Thule was breathtaking, and that's exactly the way Ishikawa wanted it. "I didn't want the battle against the despair of the stars in Ultima Thule to be a contest of 'who's got the better way with words,'" she says, adding that the Scions all expressed despair when descending from the Ragnarok, but these words were only a small part of their story.

    "I thought it would be better to 'finish off' each Scion in a way that the player can't see," Ishikawa adds. The writer wanted players to "believe and continue forward" with the hope that the Scions would eventually reappear. It's those who forged ahead and believed, Ishikawa says, that were treated to experience the ending with the Scions returning.

    I love the Scions, and I want more of them. They all still have a lot to offer, as long it's a good writter in the helm. That being said, in Dawntrail they're all acting out of character and have no purpose being there.
    I want them to change writers or learn how to write them again, not get rid of them.
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