What's the point of Peloton now?

[Kohashi]

I have no problem with Jog. My problem is with Peloton, that obviously needs something. It has always needed something, but now more than ever. Or just delete it and replace it with actually meaningful role actions that aren't just deep dungeon useful options (in fact I am a huge proponent of splitting role actions between deep dungeons / overworld and duty actions). Rphys role actions are really, really underwhelming in duties, and Peloton serves nothing of value today.

Peloton is still better than jog, but it's nice that you now have a weaker variation of it, even if you don't have a Phy Range in your party. It allows you to keep the momentum.

[Valence]

Peloton is still better than jog, but it's nice that you now have a weaker variation of it, even if you don't have a Phy Range in your party. It allows you to keep the momentum.

1) What you gain out of it in a dungeon amounts mathematically to barely 5-10 seconds gained. All psychological.
2) If you argue that this is good and disagree with the former point, then it means this is indirectly harming rphys options by making the role even less useful for parties.

Peloton was shit, and it's even shittier now, and I'm standing by my words there until proven otherwise.

[Kohashi]

1) What you gain out of it in a dungeon amounts mathematically to barely 5-10 seconds gained. All psychological.
2) If you argue that this is good and disagree with the former point, then it means this is indirectly harming rphys options by making the role even less useful for parties.

Peloton was shit, and it's even shittier now, and I'm standing by my words there until proven otherwise.

Oh please, how is it harming them? The way I see is it's that it comes from a time when having Peloton was a lot more impactful than what it is now.

You talk about Peloton, but what about Leg Graze and Foot Graze? I do agree that role actions of phy range should be reworked at this point as they serve little to no purpose aside from Peloton, second wind, and arm's length.

[Valence]

Oh please, how is it harming them? The way I see is it's that it comes from a time when having Peloton was a lot more impactful than what it is now.

I don't think it is harming them? Like I said, I think Peloton has always been a pretty useless gimmick. You're the one that seems to think it has good uses, so if Jog starts stepping on what Peloton brings, then it by definition harms rphys indirectly. How can I make this clearer?
The way you see it is wrong. Peloton comes from Swift Song, which was a bard unique ability that was usable exactly like Peloton is right now. And when I say it was a gimmick, that's because it has always been, but as a BRD unique, it was whatever, just part of the job's flavor. It wasn't a role action. The mistake was to make it a role action when it didn't have the qualities to become one in the first place.

You talk about Peloton, but what about Leg Graze and Foot Graze? I do agree that role actions of phy range should be reworked at this point as they serve little to no purpose aside from Peloton, second wind, and arm's length.

Leg Graze and Foot Graze are very dusty and could be better, but they do have uses in non standard pve like deep dungeons or field exploration (notably Eureka but you'll have to remember that at release mounts weren't usable in there until you elemental level capped the area, and mobs of the same level were probably going to delete you if you caught aggro, so having those crowd control options was often the difference between life and death).

[Kohashi]

I don't think it is harming them? Like I said, I think Peloton has always been a pretty useless gimmick. You're the one that seems to think it has good uses, so if Jog starts stepping on what Peloton brings, then it by definition harms rphys indirectly. How can I make this clearer?
The way you see it is wrong. Peloton comes from Swift Song, which was a bard unique ability that was usable exactly like Peloton is right now. And when I say it was a gimmick, that's because it has always been, but as a BRD unique, it was whatever, just part of the job's flavor. It wasn't a role action. The mistake was to make it a role action when it didn't have the qualities to become one in the first place.

Honestly, I don't care where Peloton comes from or how it got into the game. It's useful in between trash mob packs, and it was really useful in older dungeons where you had to walk all the f-king way back if you wiped at one of the bosses. Thank god they scraped that shit, even if it took them 10 years to do it.

What Jog does is provide a weaker version of it for when parties don't have a phys Range, which happens a lot because yeah, RNG distribution.

However, it doesn't mean that phy range lost its place and purpose or identity. what an unhinged take..

Leg Graze and Foot Graze are very dusty and could be better, but they do have uses in non standard pve like deep dungeons or field exploration (notably Eureka but you'll have to remember that at release mounts weren't usable in there until you elemental level capped the area, and mobs of the same level were probably going to delete you if you caught aggro, so having those crowd control options was often the difference between life and death).

Fair point, I completely forgot that even existed as I never engaged with it. I started playing when that was long dead anyway.

[Valence]

Honestly, I don't care where Peloton comes from or how it got into the game.

Why did you bring up its origin then?

It's useful in between trash mob packs, and it was really useful in older dungeons where you had to walk all the f-king way back if you wiped at one of the bosses. Thank god they scraped that shit, even if it took them 10 years to do it.

It's not, because people just sprint between trash packs.
It was "useful" in older respawns in the same way that it's gimped, where the mathematical gain is counted in a handful of seconds. If you find this useful, I do find it mostly psychological with no incidence whatsoever.

What Jog does is provide a weaker version of it for when parties don't have a phys Range, which happens a lot because yeah, RNG distribution.

Jog is irrelevant in dungeons. People sprint between pulls.

However, it doesn't mean that phy range lost its place and purpose or identity. what an unhinged take..

Then it makes it your unhinged take. Once more, you're the one that is arguing that both peloton and jog are useful. I am not. I've been saying since the start that they're useless in dungeons.
By logical extension, if you think they are useful, and I'll say it one last time but it seems that you cannot wrap your head around that concept: if peloton is useful, and jog is a lesser version of it but still useful, then job now encroaches on a role action that's part of the support brought by rphys as a role, which lessens by extension its value for the role to have.