Can Square Enix stop gate-keeping mid-core contents behind Savage ILvl on release?

[TakumiHarada]

You're laughing despite not being aware of how level sync and materia interact, or pretending you don't. Time to do some research, buddy.

Are you not reading my posts on purpose? Part 3
Please, I am so sorry to be rude but again, please do learn to read before posting on the internet. Your assumptions are completely wrong and it makes you look idiotic.
If you don't want to read all the posts because they're too long, then maybe don't reply. Don't bother.

No. If the ILvl was synced at 700, people will not make parties forced at 730, because 730 gear would be pointless.
In fact the best gear will become the Neo Kingdom gear with materia slotted in.

You keep emphasising on BiS. I have already mentioned that, my point is that not everything should be gated at Savage ILvl on release (You still don't seem to understand the point here no matter how many times I emphasise this).

Now the progression looks like this:
Crafted gear/Extreme -> Savage -> Criterion/Criterion Savage/Chaotic/Ultimate

The progression should be like this in my opinion:
Crafted gear/Extreme -> Savage/Criterion/Chaotic -> Criterion Savage/Ultimate
=> The difference being Criterion and Chaotic shouldn't be reliant on having done Savage in the previous expansion, because Criterion and Chaotic ARE Savage level.

Your argument would be (or should be), since Savage and Chaotic give the same ILvl rewards, they should be having the same cap. Sounds logical, right? (Criterion didn't give BiS rewards.)

But in practice, since Savage is released on x.0 and Criterion/Chaotic on x.1, many people block out returners in x.1 (who didn't play in x.0 due to various reasons) from joining statics in the first few weeks. And remember, Criterion/Chaotic already have an abysmal participation rate as I posted previously.

Plus Chaotic is now going to face a slow death just like DR Savage after 7.2. People who "couldn't follow the trend" are basically locked out of the content unless you spend a couple of weeks on PF/Discord begging people to join.

It'll not be a problem if Savage and Criterion/Chaotic were both released on x.0 at the same time. But since it's not the case, the system is made to actively encourage people to "lock out" people with a lower ILvl.

My solution would be to first not put any the ILvl cap gear in those odd-numbered contents, and then lower the ILvl cap so that people who returned in x.1/3/5 can jump right in without having to go through Savage or tens of hunt trains first. This can encourage much more people to join those contents and bring their participation rates (3.5%) more on par with Savage (10%).

That was the whole point of the original post.
You can disagree, but your whole premise is so wrong I had to write this text wall to explain more clearly so that the post doesn't go off-track.

[YukioKobayashi]

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Then change "Can SEstop gate-keeping mid-core contents behind Savage ILvl on release?" to something like "Can the Community stop gate-keeping mid-core contents behind Savage ILvl on release?"

SE made it to where you can do all content except on content ultimates with crafted gear.

But again. The "raiding community" dont want someone who cant even clear savage in Chaotic or Criterion for good reason.
People that cant even clear the current raidtier in 8+ months are imo bad at the game and dont belong in chaotic or criterion.
Letting people like this in would only increase wipes, disbands and possibly enrages.

[Nero-Voidstails]

So only if something is braindead easy it can be considered casual?
I really doubt that the WHM spamming Cure1 in all Bozjian Critical Engagements is doing midcore content.
DRS and duells on the other hand can maybe considered midcore. Which is also something completely optional.

that's why I said back in the day and in every content you have questionable player and I will again repeat echo destroyed the balance of Bozja and zadnor that unless you really are bad you cannot die unless red comet I still see this dude wipe parties

[Nero-Voidstails]

Then change "Can SEstop gate-keeping mid-core contents behind Savage ILvl on release?" to something like "Can the Community stop gate-keeping mid-core contents behind Savage ILvl on release?"

SE made it to where you can do all content except on content ultimates with crafted gear.

But again. The "raiding community" dont want someone who cant even clear savage in Chaotic or Criterion for good reason.
People that cant even clear the current raidtier in 8+ months are imo bad at the game and dont belong in chaotic or criterion.
Letting people like this in would only increase wipes, disbands and possibly enrages.

yet in JP they do oh right NA raiders are heavily toxic I forgot they also often cheat to clear or use illegal tools to make sure all member are good oh dam

[CNitsah]

eureka and Bozja are not casual not gonna lie with you well now they are due to how the echo destroyed the balance in itself but without balance casual player struggled heavily in those. but me don't think savage is midcore no matter what and v&c are strange because they are casual but the criterion is not x)

So only if something is braindead easy it can be considered casual?
I really doubt that the WHM spamming Cure1 in all Bozjian Critical Engagements is doing midcore content.
DRS and duells on the other hand can maybe considered midcore. Which is also something completely optional.

The things is that for a lot of players midcore has nothing to do with difficulty, but the investment you need to put in it. That investment might be difficulty, but it's not limited to that. Depending of how you interact with them Eureka and bozja can be both casual (if you only do them once for the story) and midcore (if you try to get all the relics, the equipments, the field notes, the medals, the mounts, etc). Someone that farmed all of the Eureka relics is definitely not a casual player anymore. This is also why some people consider Extreme as hardcore and other not, because for some the fact of going to check a guide on a boss or a rotation (something the game should teach you for the later one) is some kind of investment that's far more demanding that spending 500 hours in Eureka. There is also the fun factor. A lot of players don't come here to study a strat, it's not fun for them.

[YukioKobayashi]

yet in JP they do oh right NA raiders are heavily toxic I forgot they also often cheat to clear or use illegal tools to make sure all member are good oh dam

Do you really believe JP doesnt cheat? All regions cheat. JP is so bad at cheating they cant even hide it. Look WF FRU and TOP.


Long story short. If you are so bad at the game that you cant even clear savage, dont expect strangers to carry you in chaotic and criterion.

[Volgia]

But in practice, since Savage is released on x.0 and Criterion/Chaotic on x.1, many people block out returners in x.1 (who didn't play in x.0 due to various reasons) from joining statics in the first few weeks. And remember, Criterion/Chaotic already have an abysmal participation rate as I posted previously.

This only happens in PF. You can recruit people to do Criterion and Savage, if there are groups and discord servers still doing the Baldesion Arsenal why wouldn't there be groups for Chaotic?

[Nero-Voidstails]

Do you really believe JP doesnt cheat? All regions cheat. JP is so bad at cheating they cant even hide it. Look WF FRU and TOP.


Long story short. If you are so bad at the game that you cant even clear savage, dont expect strangers to carry you in chaotic and criterion.

you are also aware that buying carries is also a thing like that neither of us like it or not some ultimate player I have seen are worst then casual player like I feel some title doesn't weight much anymore due to that

[brinn12]

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And where did you get the idea that I'm not reading your posts? Even so, if you weren’t able to express your main point when creating a thread, that wouldn’t be my fault. Not everyone has the time to read everything, and those people reply to the OP. If you changed your mind for any reason, it would also be on you to edit the OP.

Anyway, FFXIV has three gear tiers throughout an expansion, and a player can progress through all of them by buying the latest crafted gear. If they miss the first few weeks, they can still easily progress. If they miss the entire even-numbered patch, they can wait for the next one, at which point they’ll have the same item level as any other player by acquiring the new crafted gear. Savage fights don’t scale up, they get easier over time. Even if you're in full crafted gear by week four, there will be players with +10 or +20 item level pieces. Therefore, the game is already designed to accommodate returning players. If Party Finder groups set item level requirements for whatever reason, that’s not SE’s fault. SE makes it possible for players with lower item levels to clear the content — they did that on week 1.

Criterion and Savage are not reliant on doing any other content, literally just buy crafted gear and get in. You're spreading misinformation. Returners can buy crafted gear and prog them. Returners can always prog any fight under Ultimate difficulty, so long as there are PFs for it. No one is gatekept outside of Ultimates and Criterion Savage(which is essentially above Savage difficulty).

You’re suggesting that, late into a tier, SE should release Savage-level content with a level cap below the Savage tier’s level cap, when people have worked so hard for their gear. And I’m not even talking about just high-end raiders—there are casual players sitting at an item level much higher than the crafted gear when this content is released. And as I’ve said before (and it seems you keep ignoring), people meld their gear, people upgrade their gear. They are incentivized to do so, and there’s no way SE would backtrack for anything above Extreme in the middle of a tier.

[Akamadoshi]

From what I recall it was a good lesson learned from Chaotic Alliance Raid... They have overestimated their players - on top of that required Savage clear at least in the last moment when it was already rumored to be "newbie friendly" . all my non-raiding friends went to Chaotic until realizing it was way above their pay grade. They quit. When the hair contest winner made X post about being unable to enter - the uproar was loud and there were announcements/notices about it. I hope they learn to lower the gate-keeping. BTW, Savage is not hardcore. (You can easily beat Savage taking the time of your life, because it takes a lifetime before restrictions are lifted - enough time for casuals logging in for 1 lockout practice to complete a tier at leisure) that is, if you consider hardcore determined on time spent and hours at once in a raid.