Seriously, it's the white knights who should leave the game (not trolling)

[yesnt]

You've never seen prior posts of mine pointing out all of the flaws I've seen in the game, or the feedback I gave when I saw the changes to blm have you? There's a proper way to express your concerns with the state of the game. Is it really necessary to nail your points to a coffin set it on fire and send them off on a viking funeral? Then again if you can't complain what else can you do in this content draught since there's obviously nothing better for you to do with your time.

No, I don't stalk profiles. My bad.

[Xapapetsu]

No, I don't stalk profiles. My bad.

Then you shouldn't make assumptions, I have no problem calling out issues with the game, but I'm also not going to lock myself in an echo chamber feeding my frustrations with the game. I'll say my peace, and move on. If changes aren't made, I'll take a break and come back when the game offers me what I want from it. I've done it in the past and in the end it was beneficial for me to see the game in a new light when I came back.

[Jojoya]

It is so stupid to tell people, they need to do what you want, be you, or leave. That was my point.

I'm not seeing anyone telling you that you need to do what they want or to be as they are. Suggestions to leave are usually done in good faith,

Ask yourself this: what benefit do you gain by continuing to pay for and play a game you no longer enjoy?

In case you're wondering, I'm on the way out myself. I am not enjoying the current game so I'm not going to spend any more money on it until it's back to a state I can enjoy. I just finished stripping two of my houses so I can relinquish them before the next lottery entry period starts and I'm waiting for a response from my friend that's trying to decide if he wants my personal FC house (that's going to get stripped and relinquished as well if not).

I'm not so delusional that I think things will change just because I keeping paying to complain. I don't know why so many others are still here after a couple of years of complaints about the state of the game. They're still unhappy and SE is USD180 (or more) richer from each and every one of them.

In fact, it is rather stupid to accept a bad service and even go all the way out to defend it.

It is also stupid to continue to pay for a bad service when you don't need it.

[Zakuyia]

Basically op saying in sum up. If your shelling for SE your the problem and should leave. Thats like telling you guys in so many words if you suck at ff14 leave lol

[Kazuke_Miso]

There's a difference between criticism to improve the quality of a game, and intentionally hating a game to cause it's downfall. I wouldn't call ffxiv slop, it's got it's flaws but it's still a good game especially from a new player perspective.

We need more games, studios, and companies to fail, actually. There's a reason a lot of publishers and studios all stopped working on live service games and cancelling their live service projects. These games failing is the clearest signal of player preferences, because certainly the marketing and product departments at these companies share less than half a necrotized neuron collectively.

If everything somehow manages to succeed even when no one asked for it, then game companies will never care about what you want to play. Because they can just pump out the lowest effort garbage slop and succeed anyways!

[Xapapetsu]

We need more games, studios, and companies to fail, actually. There's a reason a lot of publishers and studios all stopped working on live service games and cancelling their live service projects. These games failing is the clearest signal of player preferences, because certainly the marketing and product departments at these companies share less than half a necrotized neuron collectively.

If everything somehow manages to succeed even when no one asked for it, then game companies will never care about what you want to play. Because they can just pump out the lowest effort garbage slop and succeed anyways!

That's true and they proper way to allow those companies to fail is by not supporting them, don't buy the game, don't pay your sub. Money talks I don't say take a break from the game and cancel your sub for no reason. If in the end sqex can't retain enough players to keep the game alive, it dies, if it can make good enough content to keep the game afloat or even better thriving, then it deserves to stay around.

[Boblawblah]

I doubt cider will read this properly if at all.

Who or what is cider?

[Gurgeh]

Who or what is cider?

https://youtu.be/64SES-MnLwc

Does really good content. This is not the best or typical of his content either. But fans of the game are interested in the discussions going on in the game because noone, not even the white knights now, deny that there 'are' issues.
He really hates my posts though. They do wind him right up. So much he has to try and pretend I don't exists.
He says it's because I talk about leaving and never do. Not true. I started leadup to Xmas, and did leave by 3rd day of chaotic. Now I've left again. (2 weeks grace before lockout spreads to forum access).
I actually think he probably read one of my unhinged vents about high end players. Which were actually not ok if me. That's my guess. I'm also hard for some people to work me out because they assume people are one dimensional. Everyone is either a troll, or not, and that everyone has a fixed and immovable opinion. (I come to the forums for lots of reasons and how I react depends upon what I read and whats happened since the last time I considered my own opinion. Some shits funny. And everything is funny to someone. Thank god. )

Yeah cider does great content. He's one of the few positive XIV streamers 'creating' actual XIV content, that is constructively interested in how players interact with their feelings on the game, and has high emotional intelligence about it. To me at least cider is not at all a stupid guy. But he keeps his content entertaining, there is a balance to be struck. Most of the other content creators are just pretty much pure high end gamers, doing their best analyse player sentiment the same way they analyse their Ultimate prog and job changes. They usually don't get very far with fully empathising, and so fall at the last hurdle.
I strongly doubt this post is going to change his mind about my being a goober XD.
(But I've had some really hostile shit from 'some' highend players, stemming from their focus on highend, that I won't go into, and I was too invested in the game to leave and also not give shit.)