Tanaka or Yoshi?

[Starlord]

MODS!!!! Lock this year old thread.. its not adding anything to help the game.. just more Pointless debates on which producer is better than the other.. You shouldn't take that Yoshi-P Defend yourself!!

[Rokien]

this is a good thread with many points in it. Yoshi could read this and gain something from it.

[Starlord]

this is a good thread with many points in it. Yoshi could read this and gain something from it.

Its not helping the game any.. the only thing I see here is Yoshi has this this this, but Tanaka has this this and this... and that goes on for 500+ posts >.>.

Its not helping the game any and its a bunch of pointless bashing!

[Dragon]

The very existence of this thread is exasperating in the utmost.

Rapture (XIV code name) was first mentioned in September at E3 2005. Two thousand, five.

XIV was launched Sep. 30th 2010.

That's not rushed. That is a long freaking development period. Five. Damn. Years. Additionally, they actually had video running at E3 that year, rather than simply mentioning "Oh, hey, we're working on something new", which means the actual development time was even longer than the five years already mentioned.

Rapture was nothing more, and nothing less, than a tech demo for Final Fantasy XI.

Then the game tanked. Completely. How many of the players here were actually around for EXP fatigue, and EXP acting like skillups in FFXI? When there was actually no content aside from guild leves?

Funny, the whole EXP fatigue thing just got re-implemented under a different name, and everyone's praising its usefulness.

Yoshi P and Co. have turned this game around in very short order, and I doubt any of the wistful "Oh, poor, misunderstood Tanaka! He was given but five years to attempt to please this unbelievably ungrateful, perpetually discontent batch of self-entitled new-age gamers" commenters will be anywhere near as 'understanding' of any problems that arise, or continue to exist, come 2.0.

Why should anyone be "forgiving"? 2.0 is hailed by Yoshi&Co. fans as being the quintessential turn-around. It's like when voters were stupid enough to vote for Obama thinking there'd be actual "change" without even knowing that he was a CIA plant.

If you have so much bloody faith in the man, Tanaka is running XI. Go there. Just. Go.

Contrarily, but it's fairly obvious you don't even know what's happened in FFXI.

Comparing Tanaka favorably to Yoshi P makes you either a blind sheep, or a sadomasochist.

Comparing Yoshi-P just as favorably makes you a blind sheep all the same as he's not done anything that can really be compared to in the first place; it's like telling us that Obama needs another term as president because of everything he "inherited" from Bush, the fact is he had enough time just like Bush had enough time, and every president before him had enough time.

Bush gave America large scale, open world PvP in Iraq.

Lol...

Obama might listen to the players, but it's just the same old same old that we see in other MMOs like New Zealand and Sweden. He added new servers to the health care system, but that's pretty tame. He is creating an ambitionless, boring, generic MMO, and quite frankly I don't remember that being in the constitution.

Neither of them really listened to the players. Of course, we can't let people know this, or else the world might just revolt and turn against the Empire of the United States of Europe.

If Tanaka returned to take the helm and undermined Yoshi-P i would leave the game in a heartbeat.

I'd hope you do.

5 years is plenty of time, GW2 production started 2007 and it is to be released 2012. The game is an actual complete game, not the crap XIV was and which SE had to apologize for. Tera same thing 2007, WOW 2000 to 2004. 4 years... best mmo of all time by many gaming sites. should i keep going?

1. The company behind Tera stole assets from NCSoft that were to be used in the development of Lineage 3.

1b. Tera is nothing more than an Aion clone.

2. GW2 is already gaining reputation in the MMO circle of having a failed launch.

3. World of Warcraft was released in far worse shape than any MMORPG before/after it.

If you saw the 2005 tech demo for XIV you can tell that the development process must have fucked up somewhere in the middle and for some reason SE was forced to re-do the game from scratch and by the time they started they didnt have enough time to finish it for release date and that is what the FFXIV we got. SE will never admit this or give us any explanation but with 5 years and the amount of money and staff SE has, the game should have been much much better. It has nothing to do with the XI expansions.

Again, that's all Rapture was: a tech demo. Period. A tech demo is used to demonstrate the full potential of a new engine or console system, nothing else. That's not even mentioning the fact that Rapture was a tech demo for... FINAL FANTASY XI, not FINAL FANTASY XIV!

What will happen when you release an incomplete expansion, then pull most of your team from that game to work on a new game? It would slow down production now wouldn't it? It's WELL KNOWN the original XIV team was primarily the XI team, much like now do you really think SE decided:

"Well FFXI don't really need a dev team, so lets get rid of all of them"?

Tech demos are for platform testing purposes only. Where's FFVII for the PS3? It's been 6 years since that demo, using your logic in stating 5 years is plenty of time they're overdue for releasing if a tech demo isn't just for platform testing, no? By the way, that demo was on the Xbox 360, yet we're playing a PC version.

Thank you Elexia.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

MODS!!!! Lock this year old thread.. its not adding anything to help the game.. just more Pointless debates

If that's the standard we're expected to be held to, these forums would be empty.

[Starlord]

If that's the standard we're expected to be held to, these forums would be empty.

At least the Devs can actually make a game, instead of taking 10,000 Ideas from players that all get into the game. Mine as well call it FFXIV: Player's Unite :/.

Edit: Gifthorse/Giftforce etc etc.. I hate you right now... :/.

[Babydoll]

Debate all you want but Yoshi is in charge now...2.0 will come out regardless of what people want/say and it will be Yoshi's vision I am looking forward to it! Tanaka made some great games (Secret of Mana yayy) but he had his chance in FFXIV and whatever happened happened.

I loved what he did in FFXI, that stuff was great. I also loving what Yoshi is doing...with all this stuff he is adding it really gives me the old FF feeling that Sakeguchi's games gave me.

[Onidemon]

MODS!!!! Lock this year old thread.. its not adding anything to help the game.. just more Pointless debates on which producer is better than the other.. You shouldn't take that Yoshi-P Defend yourself!!

agreed.
/10char

[Starlord]

Debate all you want but Yoshi is in charge now...2.0 will come out regardless of what people want/say and it will be Yoshi's vision I am looking forward to it! Tanaka made some great games (Secret of Mana yayy) but he had his chance in FFXIV and whatever happened happened.

I loved what he did in FFXI, that stuff was great. I also loving what Yoshi is doing...with all this stuff he is adding it really gives me the old FF feeling that Sakeguchi's games gave me.

I agree, and I think everyone else should agree, that the past is the past, the games Fundamentals have already changed greatly, I don't think they want to spend another 5 months reshaping it again.

Besides Yoshi-P is doing a great Job, for the people that don't like his Vision, should just pack up there bags and leave now, because honestly.. nothing is going to change, not in the slightest, all you do is try to start a flame war between those that love FFXIV now and those who don't.

Grand Companies were a great addition to the game.. Now since we have like 10 ranks to achieve, +Weapons, I feel like I'm getting more attached to my Company and nation more and more everyday, by serving them!

Yoshi-P don;t listen what anyone says, you do your thing, and what your doing, is making everyone happy! Take the Feedback that matters and make the game how YOU like it Yoshi-p No one else, just you and Your Vision!

Thank you for your hard work and dedication!

Starlord Ravine!

[Onidemon]

Rapture was nothing more, and nothing less, than a tech demo for Final Fantasy XI.



Funny, the whole EXP fatigue thing just got re-implemented under a different name, and everyone's praising its usefulness.



Why should anyone be "forgiving"? 2.0 is hailed by Yoshi&Co. fans as being the quintessential turn-around. It's like when voters were stupid enough to vote for Obama thinking there'd be actual "change" without even knowing that he was a CIA plant.



Contrarily, but it's fairly obvious you don't even know what's happened in FFXI.



Comparing Yoshi-P just as favorably makes you a blind sheep all the same as he's not done anything that can really be compared to in the first place; it's like telling us that Obama needs another term as president because of everything he "inherited" from Bush, the fact is he had enough time just like Bush had enough time, and every president before him had enough time.



Lol...



Neither of them really listened to the players. Of course, we can't let people know this, or else the world might just revolt and turn against the Empire of the United States of Europe.



I'd hope you do.



1. The company behind Tera stole assets from NCSoft that were to be used in the development of Lineage 3.

1b. Tera is nothing more than an Aion clone.

2. GW2 is already gaining reputation in the MMO circle of having a failed launch.

3. World of Warcraft was released in far worse shape than any MMORPG before/after it.



Again, that's all Rapture was: a tech demo. Period. A tech demo is used to demonstrate the full potential of a new engine or console system, nothing else. That's not even mentioning the fact that Rapture was a tech demo for... FINAL FANTASY XI, not FINAL FANTASY XIV!



Thank you Elexia.

Rapture has nothing to do with XI. Where do you even get that info??? Rapture was a tech demo for SE's next MMO, which has nothing to do with XI. XI came out years before the rapture video was shown at E3. How can you even think a tech demo with a new engine, completely different city etc has anything to do with a well established mmo?!

It was later on revealed that the code-named rapture MMO was FFXIV. Yes it was a tech demo, but if you spend time and resources making a tech demon that is in-game footage, you might as well re-use these resources for the actual game which they didn't apparently.


And dont tell me it was CGI cuz that means SE dropped in CGI quality big time...