Square Enix, Are we really just pretending that WoW isn't running laps around you?

[OliverQ]

I tried to play some WoW again. My issues with it remain - I hate the cartoon graphics - much prefer FFXIV graphics. And the community is toxic. They do not treat new/returning players well at all. That definitely is way better in this game.

[MicahZerrshia]

I tried to play some WoW again. My issues with it remain - I hate the cartoon graphics - much prefer FFXIV graphics. And the community is toxic. They do not treat new/returning players well at all. That definitely is way better in this game.

Funny cause during the EW lull I tried WoW for the first time and was super nervous to do things like dungeons due to the rep the community has. But I did, and holy hannah it was night and day from here but in the best possible way. I said I was new and this was my first dungeon and I had nothing but fun conversation, these random ppl helping me with my rotation, giving me tips on bosses, what to do next. Next dungeon, same thing. Next dungeon, same thing. Which started making me be comfortable enough to be more social and time after time the community over there was just absolutely amazing. I had maybe 1 or 2 ppl who were just flat out jerks, but it's been almost nothing but warm and inviting, having fun talking and joking with complete strangers I meet in group finder, guilds have been really supportive and fun. Completely different from what you get here, which is...silence mostly, but if it's not there is a lot of entitlement and ppl with saviour complexes who freak out and call you toxic if you try to help those poor innocent sprouts be better, no matter how pleasantly you go about it. And frankly I don't really get weeby humor or enjoy the cutesy JP thing that is so popular so if someone is trying to be funny in group content here, it doesn't land, at least for me, and seems either creepy, childish or just kinda makes you crinkle your nose like you smelt something bad. I really think sometimes you just kind of see what you want to see or go in with a toxic attitude because you are expecting toxicity, so that is what you get back and I have found that time and time again the WoW community has proven to be the much better community.

[Dante131]

I tried to play some WoW again. My issues with it remain - I hate the cartoon graphics - much prefer FFXIV graphics. And the community is toxic. They do not treat new/returning players well at all. That definitely is way better in this game.

cant agree to that. I can see the point with the cartoon style yes i had issues with it. But not good to new players hell no thats straight up a lie. I never touched wow and people been always helpfull to me explained what i need to be better and how mechanics work where the shortcuts are etc. recently i thought i give raiding a try and just opened a grp in the wow pf without thinking like you do in 14. We stepped in everything was good. The first issue happened when somebody asked if i know how to raidlead and i answered honestly dunno first time. So he asked for assistent raid lead which is an option and helped me to sort partys and understand the system. Thats far away from toxic. i another run of raids i got dmed from a party member who got a weapon for my class that he mistakenly rolled on it and if i want to have it. I asked how much gold he wants because i expected smth like that and the response was "dahell nothing its useless for me but will help you" where is this toxic ? while events i already got some mounts gifted just because people dropped it and already had it. On horde side i met a person who just gifted me 15 toys randomly without a text. btw im playing male characters before you come with stuff like are you haveing slut glam. The only time i encountered toxicity was when i was to slow as tank and this was very rare... so please i dont know what you have done to get toxic comments but this is not normal day out there. this is just a quote people use.

[Arrius]

cant agree to that. I can see the point with the cartoon style yes i had issues with it. But not good to new players hell no thats straight up a lie. I never touched wow and people been always helpfull to me explained what i need to be better and how mechanics work where the shortcuts are etc. recently i thought i give raiding a try and just opened a grp in the wow pf without thinking like you do in 14. We stepped in everything was good. The first issue happened when somebody asked if i know how to raidlead and i answered honestly dunno first time. So he asked for assistent raid lead which is an option and helped me to sort partys and understand the system. Thats far away from toxic. i another run of raids i got dmed from a party member who got a weapon for my class that he mistakenly rolled on it and if i want to have it. I asked how much gold he wants because i expected smth like that and the response was "dahell nothing its useless for me but will help you" where is this toxic ? while events i already got some mounts gifted just because people dropped it and already had it. On horde side i met a person who just gifted me 15 toys randomly without a text. btw im playing male characters before you come with stuff like are you haveing slut glam. The only time i encountered toxicity was when i was to slow as tank and this was very rare... so please i dont know what you have done to get toxic comments but this is not normal day out there. this is just a quote people use.

They have definitely more competitive activities in place that has player clash with each other, even verbally - When the rewards hinge on finishing a M+ dungeon run within time, or winning a PvP match.
The lower and middle 'bracket' of those are a wild west of player competence, and only a few can ruin it for many. So naturally, folks are getting loud against each other when things go awry. And they do that often.

When it comes to New Players, however, WoW is a very unfriendly environment for them due to the lack of any systems in place for guidance and explanations.
Sure, I can have it all figured out when I check Icyveins and Wowhead along with the installation of add-ons - But that should be Blizzard's job in game, not some player.

[Videatur]

cant agree to that. I can see the point with the cartoon style yes i had issues with it. But not good to new players hell no thats straight up a lie. I never touched wow and people been always helpfull to me explained what i need to be better and how mechanics work where the shortcuts are etc. recently i thought i give raiding a try and just opened a grp in the wow pf without thinking like you do in 14. We stepped in everything was good. The first issue happened when somebody asked if i know how to raidlead and i answered honestly dunno first time. So he asked for assistent raid lead which is an option and helped me to sort partys and understand the system. Thats far away from toxic. i another run of raids i got dmed from a party member who got a weapon for my class that he mistakenly rolled on it and if i want to have it. I asked how much gold he wants because i expected smth like that and the response was "dahell nothing its useless for me but will help you" where is this toxic ? while events i already got some mounts gifted just because people dropped it and already had it. On horde side i met a person who just gifted me 15 toys randomly without a text. btw im playing male characters before you come with stuff like are you haveing slut glam. The only time i encountered toxicity was when i was to slow as tank and this was very rare... so please i dont know what you have done to get toxic comments but this is not normal day out there. this is just a quote people use.

people speak from platitudes and not from real experiences. The truth is that if they played WoW for a decent enough amount of time they would realise how many things they repeat from hearsay are totally untrue, but why have experiences when you can repeat what is said on reddit?

[USAFJerrySo]

cant agree to that. I can see the point with the cartoon style yes i had issues with it. But not good to new players hell no thats straight up a lie. I never touched wow and people been always helpfull to me explained what i need to be better and how mechanics work where the shortcuts are etc. recently i thought i give raiding a try and just opened a grp in the wow pf without thinking like you do in 14. We stepped in everything was good. The first issue happened when somebody asked if i know how to raidlead and i answered honestly dunno first time. So he asked for assistent raid lead which is an option and helped me to sort partys and understand the system. Thats far away from toxic. i another run of raids i got dmed from a party member who got a weapon for my class that he mistakenly rolled on it and if i want to have it. I asked how much gold he wants because i expected smth like that and the response was "dahell nothing its useless for me but will help you" where is this toxic ? while events i already got some mounts gifted just because people dropped it and already had it. On horde side i met a person who just gifted me 15 toys randomly without a text. btw im playing male characters before you come with stuff like are you haveing slut glam. The only time i encountered toxicity was when i was to slow as tank and this was very rare... so please i dont know what you have done to get toxic comments but this is not normal day out there. this is just a quote people use.

To be fair, I think people like him considered it toxic if a Healer ask a Tank to put his Tanks Stance on.