When will they acknowledge that the gameplay is just horrendous?

[Daughterofdeath]

A lot of issues are, to be honest, the fault of players. People are like, either A. If you want extremely difficult and harsh gameplay, go do Savage or Extreme Run/Unreal, or B. We want everything brain-dead zombie mode.

Players fall under 1 extreme or the other extreme side of things

people fail to understand there is also a C. option

That c option is first: INTERACTION DOESn'T HAVE TO BE DIFFICULT TO BE FUN, and removing interaction requirements makes things not fun and brain dead. In av interacting with an NPC during a dungeon, moving fruits or totems, and avoiding tornados or pools of yellow were not difficult tasks to do, but they kept you engaged.

and another thing is LEVEL APPROIENT CHALLENGING. level 50-60ish content should be this more easy flow but 70-80 should more med difficulty and everything above 80 should be harder alot harder that way people grow as they progress within a job

[CidHeiral]

I always wonder. Do they play their own game? Do they have testers?

It all comes down to pressing the same piano loop ad nauseam, while dealing with the artificial lag/delay, whatever you wanna call it. No skill is impactful or fun to press on it's own like in other MMOs.

I'm not even talking about the fact that the mainstream raids, dungeons and bosses are also absolute trash tier design.

1-2-3 skill combos, that would have maybe been acceptable in the mid 90s, I press a button that does essentially nothing, to enable another button that does half of a thing, to then enable a third button that actually has an impact and a purpose. Wow.

GCD/OGCD just scrap this, it doesn't work and is a major contributor to the s... gameplay. Just do a fast GCD like WoW.

Skills that turn into other skills, mostly meaningless aoe potency bloat to add artificial complexity. Just no.

I really hope that 8.0 is gonna bring changes.

I agree that the job design is in a bad place but you're asking for the game to be a completely different game. That's not going to happen in 8.0 or ever.

[KhudusQestir]

A lot of issues are, to be honest, the fault of players. People are like, either A. If you want extremely difficult and harsh gameplay, go do Savage or Extreme Run/Unreal, or B. We want everything brain-dead zombie mode.b

I always find this weird. When all the gamers/players are grouped together about an how the game should be as if we all have the same opinion.

To me, videogames is a lot like food. Not everyone likes steak, not everyone likes seafood, not everyone wants to be vegetarian. So imagine the chefs only hearing the loud obnoxious people and catering to only what they hear while all the already happy customers aren't saying anything and then getting their menu changed. Then instead of trying to talk over the louder people, they just don't come back. ArrowHead is one of the few companies I can think of atm that is actually attempting different ways to hear out their players to make the right decision instead of only listening to the loud mouths. Square doesn't really do that. Maybe when we speak with our wallets we might get some better results and finally speak over the loud mouths but all we can really do is wait and see atm.

[User202503201232]

I agree that the job design is in a bad place but you're asking for the game to be a completely different game. That's not going to happen in 8.0 or ever.

The only thing that will make it a completely different game is scrapping GCD/oGCD.

Everything else is possible and will make the game better but I suppose standards are so low in the community right now that it just seems flat out impossible. I don't blame you though. When you get served slop for a decade it's hard to imagine a nice, fat, juicy Wagyu steak. Hell, some HW jobs actually got close to that ideal, showing it was totally possible. Instead we're in the timeline where we went from HW to SB to ShB.

[KhudusQestir]

I agree that the job design is in a bad place but you're asking for the game to be a completely different game. That's not going to happen in 8.0 or ever.

Why a lot of people are saying they're waiting for XIV to die and just get a new MMO made.

[Daughterofdeath]

I always find this weird. When all the gamers/players are grouped together about an how the game should be as if we all have the same opinion.

To me, videogames is a lot like food. Not everyone likes steak, not everyone likes seafood, not everyone wants to be vegetarian. So imagine the chefs only hearing the loud obnoxious people and catering to only what they hear while all the already happy customers aren't saying anything and then getting their menu changed. Then instead of trying to talk over the louder people, they just don't come back. ArrowHead is one of the few companies I can think of atm that is actually attempting different ways to hear out their players to make the right decision instead of only listening to the loud mouths. Square doesn't really do that. Maybe when we speak with our wallets we might get some better results and finally speak over the loud mouths but all we can really do is wait and see atm.

I mean the proplem is that people dont understand you can enjoy steak and shrimp togeather Or you can have a pasta filled with meat and veggies you dont have just eat meat, or eat seafood or eat salad alone you can combine and balance them...


The aspect of the game is always 1 extreme or another extreme in combat/story everything its always all are nothing on one side both players and SE DON'T UNDERSTAND you can feed both sides at the same time, you can have balance between the sides yin/yang it

[Bad_Luck]

Why are you here if you hate it?

[Bad_Luck]

Well yes, you could always do something else. Especially if you don’t enjoy this.

[Daughterofdeath]

Why are you here if you hate it?

housing and roleplay and dress up character is honestly alot of the reason why plus its one of the few mmos that ppl can play on any system lol and what is keeping the game afloat is what people hate on alot which is the roleplay and venu scenes

but guess what that isn't going to last depending on wow does their housing ff might even lose those people, and then all that is left is the fact you can play it on console and pc lol

[Bad_Luck]

So they can complain about that one