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  1. #511
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    Sinstrel Muran'khana
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViaDesperare View Post
    Statement:
    We have deduced that Wuk Lamat is a huge problem in the FFXIV story, causing the game to go against the wisdom used to rebuild it. The narrative and gameplay quality of the Dawntrail MSQ has shifted towards the direction that insults the player’s ability and comprehension. Thus, it is that we wish for the character of Wuk Lamat to no longer appear in the future.

    Reasoning:
    It has come to be that the Story of Dawntrail and the gameplay is in a horrible state and needs to distance itself from the players due to the following points:

    1. Wuk Lamat is a Black Hole Sue [1]
    The main character of the expansion, Wuk Lamat, is a terrible trope that brings down the story and characters new or old. Personalities, such as Alisae of the Scion and even our own MC, calling her "LlamaTea" are out of character due to never calling other friends in a similar manner and in such a short time period. Y’shtola calling Wuk Lamat by Linkpearl to give us, the WoL, a message is not something that should’ve happened.. She absorbs all the spotlight in the expansion, to the point where the Wild West zone has to be about her, with the bracelet given to her wet nurse, even though she's not present and jumping in during the final trial to kill steal the boss from the player, which makes little sense to how she can do so alone when she's weaker and less knowledgeable than Graha, and makes the victory feel unrewarding.

    Wuk Lamat takes up a huge amount of dialogue as shown with the collected lines. [2]
    This is detrimental to the growth and characterization of the native inhabitants of the New World and other characters like Erenville and Krile, who mainly had a bit of a scene during the final zone. Wuk Lamat is also in the sidequests and levequests, there is no escape from people worshiping her. [3]

    2. False Marketing
    We were told that Dawntrail would be a low stakes adventure with rivalry with the Scions, but we ended up worshiping Wuk Lamat throughout the whole experience instead. The Scions are used for the Dawntrail Trailer, but they barely show up and barely have lines. Erenville and Krile were supposed to have a focused feature in this expansion but we only had very few scenes and lines from them, with Wuk Lamat attached to most of those scenes. We were told that we'd have a vacation, but we ended up watching Wuk Lamat deal with a world-ending threat, Sphene. We also embarked on an adventure that we've already seen, Stormblood and Shadowbringers. [4]

    3. Awful MSQ design
    The MSQ objectives of Dawntrail has us talk to Wuk Lamat around 139 times, compared to the following: 48 speak with Erenville, 16 speak with Krule, 4 singleplayer duty, 17 defeat monsters, and 9 clear dungeon/trials. The MSQ is stunted in design. The MSQ revolves around Wuk Lamat, where pretty much anything you do has to be about Wuk Lamat and being forced to like her. [5]
    OP cooked.
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  2. #512
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    Hopefully SE will completely abandon this awful character (Lamat) and get back the writer/s who wrote the good expansions. It's certainly a huge drop in quality. The voice actor felt worse than random NPC's in ARR too. SE got complacent perhaps.
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  3. #513
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    Problem with the writing in Dawntrail AND Endwalker in places is that its pretty juvenile and simple.

    Wuk Lamat is just a symptom of this. Her 90% hogging the dialogue is a problem of its own though and a similar issue with Endwalker. AWFUL pacing
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  4. #514
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    ...in a grudge match duel to the death with Lyse, over the affections of Pippin, with voice overed cameo appearance of Rauban.
    grudge match duel to the death - in mud!
    You might win back some of the WoW furries too that way! ...
    ( ! Now Wuk Lamat suddenly makes sense! It was an appeal to the WoW furries! )
    ...
    Y'shtola as ring girl! (yeah I know its not in keeping with the character development but this is DT so fkit...)
    Tataru as the bombastic promoter!
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  5. #515
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    Tried to tolerate her at first then the more I had to deal with being around Wuk lamat just really ruined my enjoyment of the expansion. Bait post or not I agree she's gotta go one way or 6 feet in the ground.
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  6. #516
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    Oks, Mao gonna say this agains. Mao likes Lady Fuzzy Cat (then agains, Mao also likes Hildebrand). Is BORINGS MSQs whats Mao nots like. Mao was hopings Mao could do more funs stuffs with Lady Fuzzy Cat but Mao was disappointeds. Mao sad.
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  7. #517
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    They should rush DT to an end with 7.2, start setting up the next expansion in 7.3 so we can start pretending wuk lamat never happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomed_Raven View Post
    Hopefully SE will completely abandon this awful character (Lamat) and get back the writer/s who wrote the good expansions. It's certainly a huge drop in quality. The voice actor felt worse than random NPC's in ARR too. SE got complacent perhaps.
    You're not going to like hearing this but Ishikawa was not a good writer for FF14. Her writing has basically demolished all the worldbuilding.
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  9. #519
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    They should rush DT to an end with 7.2, start setting up the next expansion in 7.3 so we can start pretending wuk lamat never happened.
    we can send her to the phantom zone.

    https://youtu.be/NWoyRlPOb3Q
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  10. #520
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    Rithris Amaya
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    I really hope in 8.0 we travel to a different shard or something interesting and the scions and wuk lamat go away please. I'm sorry but theirs zero stakes, zero character development.

    We cannot afford another story where the scions tag along and we get 1-2 new important characters, the scions have already had their growth and we all no they're never in any sort of danger, bringing them along with 1-2 new characters means that we have to focus on the new characters meaning that character becomes the centrepiece of the story this is even worse if they're unlikeable.

    Having a new cast means they have room to grow, they can take more risks (they really need to, like I am seriously tired of plot armor and no one ever being of risk apart from a random npc no one cares about), some could have full arcs in the story others could even become more important later on (even in a future expansion).

    Wuk lamat was a issue because of how they want to attach us to the scions, if we went to a new place in 7.0 (even with badly written wuk lamat), chances are having fresh new characters could have at least saved some aspects about it... instead we got scions who don't say much apart from generic things to justify them being there.
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