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    Quote Originally Posted by Zackneifein View Post
    And that's the main problem. It's not just that the focus isn't on the WoL, it can work that way. It's that the WoL isn't relevant at all and didn't even have it's moment to shine (truely shine, the 2 - 3 cutscenes where the WoL is supposed to be "badass" or somes lines about being "dangerous" aren't enough at all).
    There is already more agency for the WoL in the Raid content that in all the MSQ combined.
    Apologies for repeating something I've said before, but it's certainly relevant in this context.

    I didn't hate Dawntrail, personally. I actually enjoyed it for the most part. However, as you've said, it did feel like any moment the Warrior of Light could've been more relevant to the plot was downplayed. And, in my opinion, the very worst offender in this respect was the dialogue at the start of the Interphos trial, where Queen Eternal identifies us as "the single greatest threat". And honestly? I thought the first half of that fight was awesome.... until the whole thing was ruined by the total contradiction of that "single greatest threat" statement - namely having Wuk Lamat appear midway through the fight and present us with a unnecessary 'here I come to save the day!' moment.
    The worst element of it all was that it didn't actually change anything and took the wind out of the sails of the fight (for me at least). And worst of all? Narratively, it didn't really make a difference - all we got was a "I won't change my mind" moment and then Wuk Lamat turning Super Saiyan, demoting us into her little helpers.

    It really annoyed me - I'd love to know why the hell the writers couldn't sideline Wuk Lamat just once, particularly considering Queen Eternal's opening statement!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    Apologies for repeating something I've said before, but it's certainly relevant in this context.

    I didn't hate Dawntrail, personally. I actually enjoyed it for the most part. However, as you've said, it did feel like any moment the Warrior of Light could've been more relevant to the plot was downplayed. And, in my opinion, the very worst offender in this respect was the dialogue at the start of the Interphos trial, where Queen Eternal identifies us as "the single greatest threat". And honestly? I thought the first half of that fight was awesome.... until the whole thing was ruined by the total contradiction of that "single greatest threat" statement - namely having Wuk Lamat appear midway through the fight and present us with a unnecessary 'here I come to save the day!' moment.
    The worst element of it all was that it didn't actually change anything and took the wind out of the sails of the fight (for me at least). And worst of all? Narratively, it didn't really make a difference - all we got was a "I won't change my mind" moment and then Wuk Lamat turning Super Saiyan, demoting us into her little helpers.

    It really annoyed me - I'd love to know why the hell the writers couldn't sideline Wuk Lamat just once, particularly considering Queen Eternal's opening statement!
    What really genuinely pissed me off was the buff. I'm not inspired by you, Wuk Lamat, because you're not that inspiring. I was actually offended by the implication that I, the Warrior of Light, Savior of Etheirys, slayer of the embodiment of despair... was inspired by her.

    Talk about taking away character agency , what if I don't want to like her?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zackneifein View Post
    If that's what he wanted to do, he absolutly failed.
    The WoL is everything but a blank character. And even then, "agency" in defining a personality for a character has nothing to do with "agency" in the story.
    This is how we end up with such bland characterization. They do something - the WoL clenching their fist, Y'shtola and her magical girl summons, etc, - and the community has an absolute shitfit about it. Yoshida apologizes for actually trying to make these characters.. well, characters, so they never do it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris View Post
    What really genuinely pissed me off was the buff. I'm not inspired by you, Wuk Lamat, because you're not that inspiring. I was actually offended by the implication that I, the Warrior of Light, Savior of Etheirys, slayer of the embodiment of despair... was inspired by her.

    Talk about taking away character agency , what if I don't want to like her?
    As per Yoshida, she's actually an amazing character and we just don't get it. Not liking her isn't allowed.
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