List of 7.1 PvP Change Grievances

[Divinemights]

So which job are you going to take in a 1vs1 to get smoked by the GNB? fyi you're not winning that fight.

PAL is still good I'm not pissed about the nerfs, but if we're just going to allow one of the tank classes to have crazy damage output for no reason then why even try to balance the game at all? And if we're not going to balance classes against each other then what do we base it on. CC? FL?

By the way, there is no 1 v 1 any more post patch 5.1
In CC, I don't have an issue against Gunbreaker as Monk
Ninja is weak against Gunbreaker, yes, but Ninja is not mean for 1 v 1
Samurai is a gimmick, they are not suppose to 1 v 1
Dragoon is a buster, not sure people really 1 v 1 at higher tier in CC
Not sure about Reaper because i only find this job annoying rather than an issue

At higher tier play, I doubt Gunbreaker has much room to breathe
Donto + Full Metallic Field + Ranju would end a Gunbreaker pretty fast
Even in Rival Wing, you can see how quick a Gunbreaker got dropped

[DallsBeep]

By the way, there is no 1 v 1 any more post patch 5.1
In CC, I don't have an issue against Gunbreaker as Monk
Ninja is weak against Gunbreaker, yes, but Ninja is not mean for 1 v 1
Samurai is a gimmick, they are not suppose to 1 v 1
Dragoon is a buster, not sure people really 1 v 1 at higher tier in CC

At higher tier play, I doubt Gunbreaker has much room to breathe
Donto + Full Metallic Field + Ranju would end a Gunbreaker pretty fast
Even in Rival Wing, you can see how quick a Gunbreaker got dropped

There's multiple 1v1's every game. They may not result in one person dying, they often don't. If you're fighting 1vs1 against a player for 5 seconds you're either giving up ground or you're gaining it. Winning those micro engagements forces players to peel off and helps as the "winning" player can immediately refocus on the objective. Yeah dude, we're not meeting somewhere for some arranged duel in the middle of a ranked CC match, no shit. Have we just devolved into utter hyperbole instead of dealing with the realities of how the shit works or what?

Monk is no threat to a GNB unless he started with no MP or something like that.

It's weird how people are acting like GNB isn't broken just cause it isn't part of the "top tier win trader sweat meta" or whatever, who gives a shit? Neither was ninja and it rightfully got nerfed. GNB is more of a problem than they were.

[Divinemights]

There's multiple 1v1's every game. They may not result in one person dying, they often don't. If you're fighting 1vs1 against a player for 5 seconds you're either giving up ground or you're gaining it. Winning those micro engagements forces players to peel off and helps as the "winning" player can immediately refocus on the objective. Yeah dude, we're not meeting somewhere for some arranged duel in the middle of a ranked CC match, no shit. Have we just devolved into utter hyperbole instead of dealing with the realities of how the shit works or what?

Monk is no threat to a GNB unless he started with no MP or something like that.

It's weird how people are acting like GNB isn't broken just cause it isn't part of the "top tier win trader sweat meta" or whatever, who gives a shit? Neither was ninja and it rightfully got nerfed. GNB is more of a problem than they were.

What you described is not 1 v 1, it is called stalling and any FF14 job can do that right now if just to stall.
At same skill level, there is no 1 v 1 in FF14 post patch 5.1.
Even Monk lost their solo kill ability post patch 6.1
If you are seeing someone 1 v 1 kill right now, that only mean skill gap is too great that mechanic is not enough to help the weak one.

ALso, you need to be spefic on which mode you are in
Frontline, who would waste time on a lonely Gunbreaker?
CC, there is no merit to solo a Gunbreaker either
I would rather go keep a WHite Mage busy than waste time on a Gunbreaker
The person that i know who realies on Gunbreaker has been stucked at Gold 4 since last season ( and I only start playing CC last season)

[DallsBeep]

What you described is not 1 v 1, it is called stalling and any FF14 job can do that right now if just to stall.

What I described is most definitely not stalling, it's out dpsing another player and causing them to retreat.

And I don't need to be more specific about anything, it doesn't even seem like English is your first language tbh, there's nothing ambiguous about what I've said in this thread.

[Valence]

I explicitly said damage isn't the only metric. Yes, if a GNB plays stupid he will get swarmed same as any other class. The issue isn't the survivability. It's that it has high survivability of a tank with much better damage than other tanks. I think GNB should have the highest dmg of all tanks. I think GNB should be able to kill most other classes 1vs1, I actually think it's part of the identity of the class that it has good dmg. Just not to the extent it currently is. And yes 1vs1 still does matter in a team game. Just because a 1vs1 is occurring does not mean it's happening at a "random corner of the map". If a match comes down to the wire and it's essentially down to a 2v2 or 1vs1 to determine who's going to win, having a lot of dmg is going to decide who wins that match the majority of the time because it's just about who gets bursted first. There are plenty of instances where that's going to matter.

And obviously healers mitigate damage. Any team with a healer is better than without one. Again I don't even know what that has to do with anything. Nobody even mentioned healers anyways that I remember except for yourself.

If you want to know how I feel about healers/PAL, look at my very short post history, there's a thread I posted in like a year ago where I advocated for it as the meta against another supposed "high level" player. I was advocating cover before this "sustain meta" was even a f'ing thing. I'm well aware of all that.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Big-Four/page2

You started with and I quote "So which job are you going to take in a 1vs1 to get smoked by the GNB? fyi you're not winning that fight." and then act all surprised when people reply that 1v1 is not a good metric for a team game, else healers would be absolute trash in the game (this is why healers were brought up btw, if you can't understand a an argumentum ad absurdum).

What Divinemights said above anyway...

[DallsBeep]

You started with and I quote "So which job are you going to take in a 1vs1 to get smoked by the GNB? fyi you're not winning that fight." and then act all surprised when people reply that 1v1 is not a good metric for a team game, else healers would be absolute trash in the game (this is why healers were brought up btw, if you can't understand a an argumentum ad absurdum).

What Divinemights said above anyway...

You brought up healers because of meta team composition to point out that GNB doesn't play into that as if that makes any difference to the point whatsoever, it's a complete non sequitur hence me saying it's irrelevant. And I've defined my terms as far as what a 1vs1 is. If 1vs1's weren't a thing in a "team game" then monks wouldn't try to sneak into the back row to assassinate a caster and would've abandoned that tactic because it doesn't help. Yes, power level in a 1vs1 scenario matters, it's exploited in every match. When you give one class top tier survivability and top tier DPS, balance becomes an issue, those are the two main aspects of the game. You can't at all dispute that is the case with GNB, they're better any other tank in this regard right now and you haven't disputed the fact, because you can't. You wanted to obfuscate the point by talking about what's meta as if that does anything to dispute the raw numbers. You just simply don't have an argument.

[Divinemights]

What I described is most definitely not stalling, it's out dpsing another player and causing them to retreat.

And I don't need to be more specific about anything, it doesn't even seem like English is your first language tbh, there's nothing ambiguous about what I've said in this thread.

Yes, I am ESL and even i know what you described is not 1 v 1
I know 4 languages and yes I do mix up grammar from time to time
Yet, your description is stalling
By definition 1 v 1 is literally one vs one until one dropped
The only time you retreat is either side got extra add.

I am also playing Ninja (both Frontline and CC) and even I know why NIN/PLD got nerf bat.
NIN/PLD with Full Metal Field at a chokepoint, good luck with that in CC
If your HP is lower than 50%, it is Ninja's show and you can't stop Ninja when Paladin is covering
What does Gunbreaker offer at higher CC beside self ego?
If Gunbraker really matter, it would got a nerf bat already

You are not suppose to 1 v 1 any one post 5.1 and your ranting on Gunbreaker makes no sense
On Frontline, Gunbraker is a joke
On CC, Gunbreaker is threat around Gold or lower

[DallsBeep]

Yes, I am ESL and even i know what you described is not 1 v 1

What you want to call it and what I want to call it is irrelevant, I've defined my terms and they're easily understandable and reasonable. I know this because I'm a PVPer and what I've described is PVP. We're not taking about FL zerg slop here, but 1vs1's even happen there, let alone in a 5v5. What are you even on about?

As far as English being a second language, you don't say? lol And you just started CC, you don't say? I'm speaking in English and PVP and you're a novice in both trying to lecture about semantics haha that's cute. But not really that constructive tbh.

[Divinemights]

What you want to call it and what I want to call it is irrelevant, I've defined my terms and they're easily understandable and reasonable. I know this because I'm a PVPer and what I've described is PVP. We're not taking about FL zerg slop here, but 1vs1's even happen there, let alone in a 5v5. What are you even on about?

Calling me one of horde stampede is biggest insult, lol, but consider you are non Primal
Do a little search and you can find my post history on this forum is STRONGLY against Horde Stampede
I am a lone wolf on Frontline 1 v 1 until patch 6.1 and that 5,000 kill achievement, i did in 1 v 1.
Don't throw in insult when you know absolutely nothing about the person you are talking to

You first attack my grammar and now attack my playstyle when you are on Zalera?
Right, sounds logic
I suggest you either present arguments to support your points on Gunbreaker

Monk is no threat to a GNB unless he started with no MP or something like that.

I originally don't want to be negative about this statement but since you likes to do personal attack
Allow me to address this statement
On CC, Monk is looking for group burst damage post 7.1, Monk is no longer a single target job
On Frontline, Gunbreaker can barely hurt a Monk.
It is Gunbreaker has no threat to Monk.

[DallsBeep]

Calling me one of horde stampede is biggest insult, lol, but consider you are non Primal
I am a lone wolf on Frontline 1 v 1 until patch 6.1 and that 5,000 kill achievement, i did in 1 v 1.
Don't throw in insult when you know absolutely nothing about the person you are talking to

You first attack my grammar and now attack my playstyle when you are on Zalera?
Right, sounds logic
I suggest you either present arguments to support your points on Gunbreaker

Well I'm gonna do you one better. In every team PVP game known to man "winning your 1vs1's" has universally been a thing. I realize this is an anime game where like .03% of the population care about PVP and you have some big fish small pond syndrome or whatever, but what I'm describing is not only grammatically the correct term to use to describe exactly what I'm talking about, it's also just accepted PVP lingo. So yes, I'm not only insulting your PVP experience in general, but also thinking you even know what PVP is on this particular game. Hence you not even having the slightest idea what I'm talking about when I say "1vs1".

And yes, GNB is very broken because it's floaty trash. They may as well not even have animations and the way they can chain together attacks and nearly entirely circumvent the GCD makes them particularly blessed under 7.1 where so many classes are struggling with animation locks and delaysD