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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrigan View Post
    The music is mediocre. And not in the sense that there are tonal errors like AIs producing extra fingers, but in the sense that it's random #10,000 music, with no personality whatsoever.

    I'm not trying to be nasty, but people like you scare me. Because if you make up the average consumer base, then any originality or particularity will gradually disappear in a mass production that will be neither good nor bad, and whose only characteristic will be to be “average”. This is what studies on AI point out : the production of creative texts by AI is not bad, per se, but tends towards a standardized production without much flavor, with a noticeable loss of creativity in the texts produced over the long term.
    I'm probably the average consumer. But in general I am for allowing people to focus on the main substance of the game and letting AI take care of generating additional details that humans tend to omit out of time constraints or laziness. The example I gave about a dungeon is a good one. Like no working person is going to bother adding useless sections of a dungeon or intricate details because they don't have the time. But if AI can generate those I would enjoy the freedom of going to see what's up in those sections.

    or again, seeing AI outfits instead of re-used assets. That being said, there's a good way to use these tools and a bad way to use them. Like anything. So that is definitely where skilled people are needed. If they can leverage the advantages correctly or produce something horrible.

    It's absolutely okay to be scared. Normal in fact, but the potential will be there to make awesome stuff or the biggest piles of garbage you'll ever see. And we'll probably see both.
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    Below we have a transcription of what Naoki Yoshi-P Yoshida said at PAX:
    - "For some players, like me, I kind of get sleepy because it's so repetitive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    I'm probably the average consumer. But in general I am for allowing people to focus on the main substance of the game and letting AI take care of generating additional details that humans tend to omit out of time constraints or laziness. The example I gave about a dungeon is a good one. Like no working person is going to bother adding useless sections of a dungeon or intricate details because they don't have the time. But if AI can generate those I would enjoy the freedom of going to see what's up in those sections.
    You definitely need to temper your expectations. What you are doing is just repeating the talking points of those trying to convince people that AI is the future without real proof. Fact of the matter is, using AI is not really generating any value, and that is not purely meant as in monetary value. AI needs constant supervision and is only remixing information it already has been fed. Its no substitute for real human creativity.

    Personally, I'd rather take a humans mediocre work over anything an algorithm shat out. A labor of love stands out, one way or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    You definitely need to temper your expectations. What you are doing is just repeating the talking points of those trying to convince people that AI is the future without real proof. Fact of the matter is, using AI is not really generating any value, and that is not purely meant as in monetary value. AI needs constant supervision and is only remixing information it already has been fed. Its no substitute for real human creativity.

    Personally, I'd rather take a humans mediocre work over anything an algorithm shat out. A labor of love stands out, one way or the other.
    I highly disagree. It empowers people to produce things that would've taken entire teams to do before. Is it in its infancy? Yes, but this is the worst it will ever be. It will get exponentially better. As for evidence you can see this small demo:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLY38_vJ0hc

    Now of course, are layoffs coming because of this maybe in 5 years time? I do think so, but all innovation displaces people unfortunately. And none of us are safe from it or is it an excuse to stop moving forward. From personal experience my job has changed quite a lot from automation but I can say we are a more efficient and better work place for it.

    But yeah as all tools they can be good or bad depending on how they are used. I feel the two comments below express the biggest sentiments here, of potential upsides and dangers. And as the video states, humans will always be needed, its just that each person will be that much more efficient by using these tools, so if you keep the same team of people they will be able to produce more content, or you can downsize and keep up the current pace. I would hope they'd keep the same teams and just make more, but its up to whoever is in control of the project.

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    Last edited by Ath192; 02-28-2025 at 02:19 AM.
    Below we have a transcription of what Naoki Yoshi-P Yoshida said at PAX:
    - "For some players, like me, I kind of get sleepy because it's so repetitive."