"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[DendrielConcade]

If I'm a tank and the healer pulls ahead, good, that means they're actively participating and trying their best and I can easily get aggro by using any of my many tanking skills to deal with the situation.
If I'm a healer and the tank lags behind? That's ok, I can heal myself even without them, but it would be nice if the tank didn't have a massively overblown ego and just played the game instead, and grabbed aggro. (Since it is a team game...)

Yes, as most tanks will, being a baby about it and not pulling at all is stupid of course and shouldn't happen. What matters here is the arguments I hear about it, DPS and Healer pulling is not MIT for the Tank, and the DPS and Healer shouldn't be pulling extra over the Tank stopping. Its the job of the Tank after that pull to tell people they're not comfortable with the pull, and its the DPS and Healers job to actually care(either in acceptance or confidence in pulling more) and if they don't, then they're just rude. It all comes down to people actually talking and not getting bent out of shape on both sides, respect the Tank/Healers/DPS amongst yourselves.

[Nero-Voidstails]

If I'm a tank and the healer pulls ahead, good, that means they're actively participating and trying their best and I can easily get aggro by using any of my many tanking skills to deal with the situation.
If I'm a healer and the tank lags behind? That's ok, I can heal myself even without them, but it would be nice if the tank didn't have a massively overblown ego and just played the game instead, and grabbed aggro. (Since it is a team game...)

it's a team game so let me act like a solo player! of course your way of think is a bit dumb here not gonna lie

[Ayedin]

The reason YPYT is a thing where people get upset if the tank or whoever slows progress is because it is generally accepted that time is valuable. In both situations where one or more players try to force the pace of a run to their liking, one being faster and the other being slower, the most impactful is the one going slower just because you are wasting other people's time. Especially now that there is an option for every single duty where you can take it at your own pace and not impact another person with the Trust system. Now, if people communicate like grown human beings instead of entitled children, there should be no problem at all. I had a healer ask me to go slowly because they're rusty with healing. I had no problem going slow and none of the dps pulled ahead because the healer used their words. After a few pulls I asked if they were back in the groove and if we can speed up and they agreed. Everything went super smoothly after that.

If you want to go slow or at your own RP pace, please don't inflict that on others and use the Trust system. If you need some time or special consideration with a group of players, communicate that but be mindful that you will also be affecting 3 other real life humans with their own thing going on. You aren't the center of the universe any more than they are.

[Nero-Voidstails]

The reason YPYT is a thing where people get upset if the tank or whoever slows progress is because it is generally accepted that time is valuable. In both situations where one or more players try to force the pace of a run to their liking, one being faster and the other being slower, the most impactful is the one going slower just because you are wasting other people's time. Especially now that there is an option for every single duty where you can take it at your own pace and not impact another person with the Trust system. Now, if people communicate like grown human beings instead of entitled children, there should be no problem at all. I had a healer ask me to go slowly because they're rusty with healing. I had no problem going slow and none of the dps pulled ahead because the healer used their words. After a few pulls I asked if they were back in the groove and if we can speed up and they agreed. Everything went super smoothly after that.

If you want to go slow or at your own RP pace, please don't inflict that on others and use the Trust system. If you need some time or special consideration with a group of players, communicate that but be mindful that you will also be affecting 3 other real life humans with their own thing going on. You aren't the center of the universe any more than they are.

like I have said communication and being respectful is something alots of people forget nowdays

[Mistress_Irika]

Yeah, it's a team game. Tanks are not the pace setters.
I suggest going back to tank some day though, they've dumbed them down and overpowered them even further. It's nearly impossible to die in any level cap dungeon.

I think I'll pass. I already saw people complaining about tanks being able to solo subbosses at expansion start. xD Maybe if the devs decide to fix the balance between all 3 roles...

[Gurgeh]

I'll do anything that entertained me. If your a non sprout healer or dps that tries to speed run wall to wall tank another sprout's first time because you just want out asap then you are on your own, and I'll enjoy the amusement of watching you wipe us and send us back to the beginning to take even longer.
If you are a new tank that finds it stressful trying to win back agro, and it still learning to measure out your mitties, then you pull you tank should be 100% be sympathised with.
Pull it's the the tanks job.
Part of a tanks job is reading the pace of your party correctly, healing vs DPS out Vs damage in.
So if you pull your responsible for it working out. And if you get wrong don't be upset that your not just seen as arrogant, but arrogant incompetent.
DPS and healer pulling in higher content is 100% fine 'provided' that *is* fine.

[Gurgeh]

Oh no... 2022. I gotta start checking these thread ages...
Any issue is valid to talk about. But pure opinion pieces need a new thread.

[Rin_Sato]

it's a team game so let me act like a solo player! of course your way of think is a bit dumb here not gonna lie

How is being willing to accomodate all the players and in case they need it, cover for them solo play?
Isn't it more solo play to let other players die on purpose?

[Nero-Voidstails]

How is being willing to accomodate all the players and in case they need it, cover for them solo play?
Isn't it more solo play to let other players die on purpose?

you play a multiplayer game with many people you shouldn't force other people to play the way you want it that's all there is to it

[MicahZerrshia]

you play a multiplayer game with many people you shouldn't force other people to play the way you want it that's all there is to it

But isn't a single pack tank, who does not pick up aggro when others pull letting the group wipe, themselves forcing others to play the way they want over the interest of the rest of the group? Let's face it, the main problem with the ypyt mindset is mostly one of ego and not "the best interest of the group".

There are a lot of issues in this community that are hand waved away with the whole, "best interest of the group" or "best interest of the new player" when its actually more of an ego or savior complex thing. I recently started playing WoW and in my first dungeon I stated I was new and I got tons of helpful advice from these strangers I was randomly grouped with. If anyone would have boldly stood up due to their own perceptions of my "best interest" I would have quickly told them to hush so I can learn. Same thing in GW2, ESO and FFXI.