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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    WoW Housing at the moment: Three pieces of concept art with a novel of text about their plans.

    The only smart thing to do with promises like Blizzard's is to temper your expectations and when the player can actually interact with it and gives a feature-complete feeling to the player.

    Source: Garrisons. That was player housing in a WoW-style manner. It literally costed a raid tier, there is a tombstone to remind players of that. The devs promised players they would have agency on where they could put their Garrison. Devs promised players would have far greater control over how to customize the appearance and buildings of the garrison. And those broken promises from WoD came from Blizzard's words and concept art about such content. Such promises are not factoring in the gameplay features that were meant to be side-additions to the main point of having a garrison yet were cut.

    You might view this as me raining on your parade, I prefer to see it as having realistic expectations that aren't founded off of simple promises.
    You're not the only one who made this observation. The GG guys (who are former WoW hardcore players who just finished their first XIV Savage tier at current content a few weeks ago) made this same comment. "Don't trust the WoW devs." Their housing is promising the stars, and you hope maybe you get the moon, but you're just as likely to get green cheese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    You're not the only one who made this observation. The GG guys (who are former WoW hardcore players who just finished their first XIV Savage tier at current content a few weeks ago) made this same comment. "Don't trust the WoW devs." Their housing is promising the stars, and you hope maybe you get the moon, but you're just as likely to get green cheese.
    Yeah reading the competing discussions about this topic is wild. FFXIV players are in a state of panic about how WoW will have a much better housing system than 14, meanwhile WoW players are sure Blizz will **** it up and then abandon it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    You're not the only one who made this observation. The GG guys (who are former WoW hardcore players who just finished their first XIV Savage tier at current content a few weeks ago) made this same comment. "Don't trust the WoW devs." Their housing is promising the stars, and you hope maybe you get the moon, but you're just as likely to get green cheese.
    Which is a good statement to have with Blizzard. There is just numerous stuff over the years from Blizzard that warrant such caution. If Blizzard somehow manages to nerf the fun out of housing, I can't say I would be shocked. As they have a history of not just overpromising, but also taking away whatever makes that piece of content fun. Even if it's not gamebreaking and the entire playerbase can enjoy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    Which is a good statement to have with Blizzard. There is just numerous stuff over the years from Blizzard that warrant such caution. If Blizzard somehow manages to nerf the fun out of housing, I can't say I would be shocked. As they have a history of not just overpromising, but also taking away whatever makes that piece of content fun. Even if it's not gamebreaking and the entire playerbase can enjoy it.
    Yeah because bidding on lotteries for years on end in hopes to get a large is oh so much better

    Whatever WoW does cant be worse than what we have in FFXIV. Y'all need to stop coping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockworks View Post
    Yeah because bidding on lotteries for years on end in hopes to get a large is oh so much better

    Whatever WoW does cant be worse than what we have in FFXIV. Y'all need to stop coping.
    That's just it, all we have is concept art and their plan. We don't KNOW. It could blow FFXIV out of the water! It could be on par with XIV's apartments, which are 1. unlimited and 2. don't expire. It could be on par with XI's mog houses, which had an item limit of 20 items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockworks View Post
    Y'all need to stop coping.
    Thou doth project too much. Especially if me or others advocating for having tempered expectations is considered 'radical'.

    As your only evidence to refute my claims at the moment, is literally text-based promises and three pieces concept art. If that is all it took, boy do I have a kickstarter scam to sell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    Which is a good statement to have with Blizzard. There is just numerous stuff over the years from Blizzard that warrant such caution. If Blizzard somehow manages to nerf the fun out of housing, I can't say I would be shocked. As they have a history of not just overpromising, but also taking away whatever makes that piece of content fun. Even if it's not gamebreaking and the entire playerbase can enjoy it.
    Yep, former long-term WoW player here and first thing I thought of was the dance studio which was promised years ago and never made it in. Plus the nerf to fun - like a favorite toy I had that you could change into any race for an hour and the cooldown was an hour or two, so you could always be something else in perpetuity. Then they made it a 24-hour cooldown. They did that to quite a few toys, which had no combat application whatsoever, they were just fun.

    I do hope that WoW housing makes it in and it's everything they claim for it. FFXIV needs a kick in the pants in that regard. But I wouldn't be surprised if they end up dropping some features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talianore View Post
    Yep, former long-term WoW player here and first thing I thought of was the dance studio which was promised years ago and never made it in. Plus the nerf to fun - like a favorite toy I had that you could change into any race for an hour and the cooldown was an hour or two, so you could always be something else in perpetuity. Then they made it a 24-hour cooldown. They did that to quite a few toys, which had no combat application whatsoever, they were just fun.

    I do hope that WoW housing makes it in and it's everything they claim for it. FFXIV needs a kick in the pants in that regard. But I wouldn't be surprised if they end up dropping some features.
    Yeah, or in Legion where they hotfixed nerfed a couple toys because players, like myself, were using those as improvised flying because flying wouldn't come until 10 months later in that expansion. Among other examples.

    If their new attempt at housing is actually good, I will be pleasantly surprised. Until then, all we can do is wait until at least closed or open beta for the next expansion to see what they done with it.
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