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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadda View Post
    But a Rose by any name is still WoW. Which has it's own problems - I bet the FF14 team will figure something out.
    Lol, they haven't figured anything out regarding housing in the 10+ years we've had it, they aint about to figure it out now.
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    I'm sure wow devs read these threads... They are so going to burn this games housing system to ash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyintheron View Post
    Housing auto-demolition didn't exist when housing was first released. It was a player-requested feature added in 3.1. They even commented at the time something along the lines of "it's not how we'd prefer to fix the system, but you're all asking for it, so..."

    They still need to fix it properly, of course, but the idea it was set up by SE as some nefarious hostage-taking cash-grab from day 1 just isn't true.
    No but it can certainly become one. It wasn't the previous CEO that was super excited about NFTs and the like and all, was it? Change came around mid 2023.I don't think that's coincidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyintheron View Post
    Housing auto-demolition didn't exist when housing was first released. It was a player-requested feature added in 3.1. They even commented at the time something along the lines of "it's not how we'd prefer to fix the system, but you're all asking for it, so..."

    They still need to fix it properly, of course, but the idea it was set up by SE as some nefarious hostage-taking cash-grab from day 1 just isn't true.
    Auto demolition was requested by players but making the timer 45 days and destroying all furnishings after 35 days was a choice made by the developers. That's the predatory part. Nobody would be mad if demolition took place after 6 months and only targeted players who skip entire patches or expansions.
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    I think people need to stop being greedy and Id even advocate for an actual 5 dollar housing tax monthly to cover dev expenses.
    I think we need more furniture in mogstation too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Auto demolition was requested by players but making the timer 45 days and destroying all furnishings after 35 days was a choice made by the developers. That's the predatory part. Nobody would be mad if demolition took place after 6 months and only targeted players who skip entire patches or expansions.
    Housing demolition is a band-aid for the real issue. Housing shouldn't be limited in the first place!
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    WoW Housing at the moment: Three pieces of concept art with a novel of text about their plans.

    The only smart thing to do with promises like Blizzard's is to temper your expectations and when the player can actually interact with it and gives a feature-complete feeling to the player.

    Source: Garrisons. That was player housing in a WoW-style manner. It literally costed a raid tier, there is a tombstone to remind players of that. The devs promised players they would have agency on where they could put their Garrison. Devs promised players would have far greater control over how to customize the appearance and buildings of the garrison. And those broken promises from WoD came from Blizzard's words and concept art about such content. Such promises are not factoring in the gameplay features that were meant to be side-additions to the main point of having a garrison yet were cut.

    You might view this as me raining on your parade, I prefer to see it as having realistic expectations that aren't founded off of simple promises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Auto demolition was requested by players but making the timer 45 days and destroying all furnishings after 35 days was a choice made by the developers. That's the predatory part. Nobody would be mad if demolition took place after 6 months and only targeted players who skip entire patches or expansions.
    Ya that would not fix the issue in anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    WoW Housing at the moment: Three pieces of concept art with a novel of text about their plans.

    The only smart thing to do with promises like Blizzard's is to temper your expectations and when the player can actually interact with it and gives a feature-complete feeling to the player.

    Source: Garrisons. That was player housing in a WoW-style manner. It literally costed a raid tier, there is a tombstone to remind players of that. The devs promised players they would have agency on where they could put their Garrison. Devs promised players would have far greater control over how to customize the appearance and buildings of the garrison. And those broken promises from WoD came from Blizzard's words and concept art about such content. Such promises are not factoring in the gameplay features that were meant to be side-additions to the main point of having a garrison yet were cut.

    You might view this as me raining on your parade, I prefer to see it as having realistic expectations that aren't founded off of simple promises.
    You're not the only one who made this observation. The GG guys (who are former WoW hardcore players who just finished their first XIV Savage tier at current content a few weeks ago) made this same comment. "Don't trust the WoW devs." Their housing is promising the stars, and you hope maybe you get the moon, but you're just as likely to get green cheese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    You're not the only one who made this observation. The GG guys (who are former WoW hardcore players who just finished their first XIV Savage tier at current content a few weeks ago) made this same comment. "Don't trust the WoW devs." Their housing is promising the stars, and you hope maybe you get the moon, but you're just as likely to get green cheese.
    Yeah reading the competing discussions about this topic is wild. FFXIV players are in a state of panic about how WoW will have a much better housing system than 14, meanwhile WoW players are sure Blizz will **** it up and then abandon it.
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