all-Healers should get archivment mounts

[Kacho_Nacho]

Misread the first part, but none of them are stressful, bar a very very small handful, and this is something that applies to every role equally.

It's your problem for putting too much stress on yourself by trying to overcompensate for other peoples' mistakes. If people decide to eat vuln stacks like candy then it's their problem. As a tank or a DPS I can say the exact same thing to healers.. The amount that will either just Cure bot into oblivion and do absolutely nothing, making pulls take eternity and forevermore. Or the amount of them that just stand around like ornaments waiting for the next AoE to go out, whilst also still somehow managing to get themselves killed, despite doing absolutely nothing.

Let's not pretend like it's only one role getting stressed by the mistakes of another, if you want to get into the realm of trying to overcompensate for others.

The problem with this kind of thinking is it goes against what a healer is in the party for, to replace health. By definition, a healer is there to compensate for the mistakes of others.

We cannot control the actions of others, and if their characters die, the healer is blamed, no matter how badly the damage dealer or tank was playing. The stress comes from this fact.

Now, ideally, players should own up to their own mistakes. But, that often is not the case.

People tend to overestimate their level of skill. It's far easier to blame the healer than for someone to admit they are just an average player who messed up a mechanic.

[Kaurhz]

The problem with this kind of thinking is it goes against what a healer is in the party for, to replace health. By definition, a healer is there to compensate for the mistakes of others.

We cannot control the actions of others, and if their characters die, the healer is blamed, no matter how badly the damage dealer or tank was playing. The stress comes from this fact.

Now, ideally, players should own up to their own mistakes. But, that often is not the case.

People tend to overestimate their level of skill. It's far easier to blame the healer than for someone to admit they are just an average player who messed up a mechanic.

There is compensating and then there is overcompensating and causing undue stress, e.g., "Everyone must be at 100% health at all times", or "Nobody must ever die", "I must heal this player immediately".. All of these things are natural and there is no point getting stressed because a player decided to fail a mechanic or take far too many vulns until they get 1-shot. There's very very few times where I have found the healer blamed for this fact, and in many cases it is almost them following an apology after their death or just staying completely quiet about it. This finger pointing is also not exclusive to the healer role, I've seen tanks get blamed, and I have seen DPS get blamed just as much for the failures of other people. Most times it has been because some healers have just decided to absolutely fall asleep at the window and not bother in any capacity, or when healers are electing to fall asleep in Dun Scaith because Esuna-ing 2 players with Doom is just too much.

and really with the way most normal mode encounters work, there is no massive urgency behind it in the first place with how far spaced apart incoming damage actually is. This stress is entirely self-inflicted and self-made.

[Daughterofdeath]

The problem with this kind of thinking is it goes against what a healer is in the party for, to replace health. By definition, a healer is there to compensate for the mistakes of others.

We cannot control the actions of others, and if their characters die, the healer is blamed, no matter how badly the damage dealer or tank was playing. The stress comes from this fact.

Now, ideally, players should own up to their own mistakes. But, that often is not the case.

People tend to overestimate their level of skill. It's far easier to blame the healer than for someone to admit they are just an average player who messed up a mechanic.

Another thing is SE's Punishment debuff "vunability is horrible" it doesn't punish the invidual for screwing up it punishs the healer for the party failing to dodge or do things correctly even if the healer is playing perfect THEY ARE THE ONE who gets punished for players mistakes even on the dev side.

They should remove vunability and replace it with a slow that cant be esuna or something like defaith and debravery stacks that punishes the individual for messing up.

Like a healer can be doing everything correct, but gets punished by a player who every time gets 5+ vulnerability stacks lol, and the healer can't do or say anything

[Red-thunder]

have you ever done anything like nier or any of the raids past alexander synced as a healer lol, the job is easy the kit is strong yes but players on the average have brain smaller than a monkey and stand in everything and get cleaved attacked by boss lol with random people not a prebuilt party the vast majority of partys u get like 7/10 times will have a dps or tank that a. either doesnt have stance on and refuses to use it and dps standing in cleave/aoe circles lol

But that's not your responsibility. If they die after taking 4 vuln stacks, that's literally intended. The developers intend for vuln stacks as a punishment, not just a decoration on your status bar.

Saving someone from their mistakes is an unexpected bonus, not part of your job. I'm not saying you shouldn't heal people if they make a mistake. I'm saying if someone makes a mistake, takes a vuln and 70% of their HP and a raidwide then kills them off after 2 seconds, that's not your problem. If you manage to save them by healing in between the two damage applications, that's an extra, but that's NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. There's a reason the developers put a raidwide right after a potential mistake! They intend for that raidwide to kill off people who made a mistake unless they got lucky!

Just stop adding unnecessary responsibility to yourself. Maybe that's why healing is so stressful for you, because you're trying to go beyond the game's parameters.

Sure, you should always try to go the extra mile, but if you fail, so what. (1) It's a video game, (2) it's not your responsibility.

Have you ever seen any tank blame themselves for people dying because they didn't use a Nascent or a Heart of Corundum on someone with a vuln stack? No. Even though in many situations these are objectively more powerful than many of the healers' emergency heal kits.

[UkcsAlias]

scholar can get an exclusive carbuncle mount that doesnt require donating $ to the mogstation

astrologian can get some type of constellation star type mount or maybe a star with planets orbiting it idk

sage can get a ridable staff of caduceus or maybe a flying ambulance or some type of mechanical mount

Why even care if they are themed that closely? Being this closely themed can actualy backfire as it often will be inferior compared to just cool looking mounts.

[Supersnow845]

Kind of expected this thread to just be here and see nothing but posts from players being madge about the recent FRU clear with no healers and how they want compensation from Yoshi-P and the devs.

Healers shouldn't get mounts the same way that the tanks do when it comes to doing content to earn them. If they want to do it like how you get the Unicorn mount for playing Conjurer to 30 then that's fine. But achievement reward for playing healer in certain content like tank has? They definitely shouldn't.

Lets be blunt here: there are alot of healers out there that are just complete dogshit. Be it from the heal bots that deal no DPS, to DPS healers that do no heals, to those who refuse to heal you because either they/you/the party are toxic/"being toxic", etc etc etc. Healers might be FF14's punching bags when it comes to, well everything pretty much lets face it, but the last thing the healer job needs is for an incentive to be added to reward players for simply "playing healer".

Example: You get a duty with a White mage that only casts Regen on players for healing and tells you and the rest of the party to go fuck yourselves for telling them to do more then use Regen to heal and to deal with it since they only want to deal damage. You all still clear the content. Did the White Mage do their job?

While the answer will obviously vary between players, and there are obviously factors to consider in each scenario, for a good chunk of players: as long as the content gets cleared, how other players' play is completely irrelevant to them since all that matters is that said content they're doing is cleared. Having a healer mount reward for just playing healing would not get people to play healer, it would get people to "play healer".

Plus lets face it, ultimately if they did add a healer mount achievement reward it would just follow suit to how the tank mount achievement is done by most players, aka: finding the lowest level and fastest to clear 8-man raid that counts towards completion of the achievement, getting a party, and just spamming that fight 100/200 times and get the mount quickly and then move on so they don't have to touch the job again.

This is very relevant

As such I elect to add a system to player commendation where I can go “yeah my tank was hot garbage this run doesn’t deserve a credit towards their tank achievement”

That bad boy would be pressed 9 times in 10 by the same WTF logic as above

[Azurarok]

thinking you're being "punished" for someone else's mistake by having to actually heal doesn't seem like a healthy mindset to play healer with

[Hallarem]

I think every other healer should get a 1 dollar cash shop mount for them. That way we can support our beloved company to pass WoW someday.

Maybe even a FF7 part 5 remake on the horizon? that would be sooo exciting. Can't wait to see Cloud again

[Connor]

thinking you're being "punished" for someone else's mistake by having to actually heal doesn't seem like a healthy mindset to play healer with

Honestly I had this exact same thought but wasn’t sure anyone else would agree lol. Like I kinda want the party to be bad so I might actually get to use something that isn’t Broil lol (though it’s granted that they’d need to be extremely bad to force a SCH to gcd lol).

[AvoSturmfaust]

DDs deserve the archivment mounts too, because we have to deal with dumdum tanks which thinks its funny to move the boss absolutly unnecessary or with healer which have a one button rotation and still are to dumb to do dps or atleast heal