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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    Old FF games had tech, yes, but they were all stylized in a way that made them unique and fit the world because the ppl who came up with the designs were actually creative and had skills. And then the writers were also skilled enough to make it make sense within that world..
    Not all of them. The game Alexandria is based on, FFIX, had this exact sort of jump from fantasy to sci-fi when going from Gaia to Terra. Terra was a completely alien landscape. The art style was the same, but it has that same jarring aspect of wrongness. It was also a civilization of advanced technology. There were just limitations to really showing this fully back on the PS1.

    Alexandria is the same. It's a bit like a IX world where Gaia and Terra fused like they were supposed to and Gaia got upgraded with Terran technology. Coming from Etheirys, it's alien and foreign and technologically advanced. So putting that in a modern perspective, that correlates to something more like cyperpunk to our standards now. And graphics today allow this difference to be accented a lot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    So putting that in a modern perspective, that correlates to something more like cyperpunk to our standards now. And graphics today allow this difference to be accented a lot more.
    You can make all the excuses for a multi million dollar company all you want, but I still think its a copout in a FF game to just shove things in that we see daily instead of doing what they did in past games. Esp since you are avoiding my direct criticism that it feels lazy because it feels like the "artist" they used just drew his gpu instead of being an actual creative and doing something more unique. A few small things, like a lamp or a stove, here and there is fine, but an entire city that looks like my PC is just incredibly lazy design that, like I said before, anyone can fart out. I even said before the expac released that the juxtaposition of a tribal like culture next to cyberpunk 2077 was going to be a hard thing to pull off, and they didn't pull it off at all. Not from a visual pov, not from a writing pov and even with suspension of disbelief, not from a logical pov. The big difference between FFIX and DT is the writers took a lot more care in IX to make it make sense and to make it look like something much more fantastical than a 2000ce PC or a ps2. I am sure if the Terran tech was just a cordless phone, a fax machine and an ipod, ppl would have have the same wtf reaction.

    We used to hold SE to a higher standard and we should again, instead of just incessently making excuses for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    You can make all the excuses for a multi million dollar company all you want, but I still think its a copout in a FF game to just shove things in that we see daily instead of doing what they did in past games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    Funniest thing about this to me: In most Final Fantasy games, your first mount is usually a chocobo or a sailboat. In FFVIII? It's a rental car. You need to buy gasoline to make it run.

    https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki..._Fantasy_VIII)
    https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Fuel
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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    You can make all the excuses for a multi million dollar company all you want, but I still think its a copout in a FF game to just shove things in that we see daily instead of doing what they did in past games. Esp since you are avoiding my direct criticism that it feels lazy because it feels like the "artist" they used just drew his gpu instead of being an actual creative and doing something more unique. A few small things, like a lamp or a stove, here and there is fine, but an entire city that looks like my PC is just incredibly lazy design that, like I said before, anyone can fart out. I even said before the expac released that the juxtaposition of a tribal like culture next to cyberpunk 2077 was going to be a hard thing to pull off, and they didn't pull it off at all. Not from a visual pov, not from a writing pov and even with suspension of disbelief, not from a logical pov. The big difference between FFIX and DT is the writers took a lot more care in IX to make it make sense and to make it look like something much more fantastical than a 2000ce PC or a ps2. I am sure if the Terran tech was just a cordless phone, a fax machine and an ipod, ppl would have have the same wtf reaction.

    We used to hold SE to a higher standard and we should again, instead of just incessently making excuses for them.

    You did not play these games. The highest selling ff in recent history is 4 dudes in a car goofing around, its sold more than each part of remake (individually ) and 16 what are you even saying. We aren't even going to go into 13. So not only is it normal for the series, people like it which is why they keep doing it. You preaching to no one about a series you have only played selectively so you could ignore its most successful entries that disprove your point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villa101 View Post
    You did not play these games. The highest selling ff in recent history is 4 dudes in a car goofing around, its sold more than each part of remake (individually ) and 16 what are you even saying. We aren't even going to go into 13
    know what else sells alot Justin beaver concert tickets, twilight is an insult to vampires sold very well. Popularity and sale numbers mean nothing outside the majority of people are worthless sheeps with no brains or taste
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villa101 View Post
    You did not play these games. The highest selling ff in recent history is 4 dudes in a car goofing around, its sold more than each part of remake (individually ) and 16 what are you even saying. We aren't even going to go into 13. So not only is it normal for the series, people like it which is why they keep doing it. You preaching to no one about a series you have only played selectively so you could ignore its most successful entries that disprove your point
    Yeah this a difficult topic but when it comes to art it's subjective. Its possible 4 dudes in a car sold better but that doesn't make it the superior aesthetic or a good fit for 14. Kanye West sells millions of copies of his albums and you see him topping the charts, but he's not artistically superior to mozart or beethoven and yet you barely see/hear anyone listening to them often.
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    Below we have a transcription of what Naoki Yoshi-P Yoshida said at PAX:
    - "For some players, like me, I kind of get sleepy because it's so repetitive."