Is 7.2 the last patch to even save Dawntrail at this point?(SPOILERS AHOY)

[Hallarem]

Dont really care for 7.2

There is no saving this MSQ. At this point I am just waiting for 7.25 for the exploration content to have a reason to not cancel my sub.

My hard limit is going to be 8.0. If there are no significant new features and just minor fixes, and the same old content bulk. I'm gone.

[Xerosleep]

Why are people moaning about the Story, people hating Wuk Lamat and simps for Emet Selch. This expansion is actually better than EW at the same point as we have slightly more content, and the MSQ is literally 1% of the game and is always the same go from A to B and watch cutscene then more cutscenes then the eventual dungeon (and DTs dungeons and trials were bangers). Literally what they need to do now on though is introduce the relic/exploration zone and variant/criterion in a half patch between the Savage and X.1 and huge improvement. But seriously get over the story its fine Wuk just replaced Alphinaud

[Daralii]

Why are people moaning about the Story, people hating Wuk Lamat and simps for Emet Selch. This expansion is actually better than EW at the same point as we have slightly more content, and the MSQ is literally 1% of the game and is always the same go from A to B and watch cutscene then more cutscenes then the eventual dungeon (and DTs dungeons and trials were bangers). Literally what they need to do now on though is introduce the relic/exploration zone and variant/criterion in a half patch between the Savage and X.1 and huge improvement. But seriously get over the story its fine Wuk just replaced Alphinaud

People still don't understand that Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail is a hardcore raiding game like WoW, and the story and quests only exist to give leveling structure.

[Jamini]

oh my god, what if they attempt to retcon the whole "erase all the memories in Living Memory" because most players had some serious issues with the writing in that zone, and instead of dealing with the consequences of that happening and/or trying to move on to something else so we can just forget this whole Dawntrail thing ever happened like a bad dream, they instead go, "Look, it's okay, we found a way to restore Sphene all the memories! Hooray! Everyone is happy!"

It sounds outlandish, but everything about late Endwalker and Dawntrail compared to what came before has been pretty outlandish in how stupid things have gotten, so...

I hope not. The level of willful tone-deaf misunderstanding this would require.

Personally I was, and am, angry over living memory for two reasons.

The first is the complete 180 of treatment of soulless life. (We effectively walk back any positive statements made regarding all of Ultima Thul with how we callously and secretively destroy the Endless. Mind, both lack soul Aether and are constructed of memories.)

The second is a very real-world parallel to cultural genocide. We are not only wiping out all memory of the Alexandrians, but also perpetuating an attempt to force their living members to abruptly give up (admittedly extremely destructive) ways.

Much could have or could be done to make this more palatable, and it hasn't been happening.

[Lilapop]

Fights where partner stacks can be lived solo by dps/healers easily on day 1 objectively makes the fights not a 10/10. The pictomancer balance issue objectively makes classes nowhere near a 9/10.

The Pictomancer balance issue. In that one niche Ultimate fight? The balance issue where in every other bit of content its close to the other casters too? That balance issue? Could it be that FRU is the thing that isn't balanced?

[Basteala]

Why are people moaning about the Story, people hating Wuk Lamat and simps for Emet Selch.

I feel with an opening like this that you're a dangerous person to try and have an intelligent discussion with, but I'll try anyway. I'm bored.

This expansion is actually better than EW at the same point as we have slightly more content., and the MSQ is literally 1% of the game and is always the same go from A to B and watch cutscene then more cutscenes then the eventual dungeon (and DTs dungeons and trials were bangers).

Spoken like a true WoW player. FF14 has always advertised itself as a story based MMORPG. There's a reason why you have to progress the story to get to the endgame and go from expansion to expansion--level cap isn't sufficient. Solo duties used to be more common in SHB, STB, and HW, in between the "point A to point B". Maybe for you that doesn't matter much, but shockingly, a lot of people who play a story based MMO want the story to be...good. Novel concept, I know.

That's why people are bitching about the story. Because it sucks. Because the pacing is off and the character writing was off, and the plot wasn't something people enjoyed. Someone who views the hours of cutscenes as 1% of the experience probably won't understand that, though.

Also the dungeons are not "bangers". Some of the boss fights are interesting, but the trash pulls are some of the most boring prefabricated, cookie cutter nonsense we've seen. There's not a single one of "those pulls" where you're not sleepwalking through it all. The raid fights are good, I'll give you that. Broken clock is right twice a day, after all.

Literally what they need to do now on though is introduce the relic/exploration zone and variant/criterion in a half patch between the Savage and X.1 and huge improvement.

They do need to do that. And it's a legitimate problem that the hardcore progression chads have gotten multiple releases for their content, while the casuals that still make the bulk of the expansion are still waiting for literally all of this.

But seriously get over the story its fine Wuk just replaced Alphinaud

I don't know where you've been but Alphinaud had a pretty good character arc that's been entertaining to watch since HW (even if back then it was us enjoying Krile roasting him, and he doesn't come into his own until SHB). Also--you call people out for the story, then make no supporting arguments and go on fifteen different tangents in poorly punctuated Engrish on how they need to stuff the game full of PvE stuff and that will magically fix everything. It's a step in the right direction, but it's irrelevant to your opening statement. Have you even written a High School thesis yet, man?

[Archeron]

I'll be honest Dawntrail needs to be written off as a complete failure, in every regard. The content we are given is copy and paste from previous expansions. Stagnant. The story is a complete and utter failure that has cost this game hundreds of thousands of subs. No patch is going to remedy the botched writing, extremely long content droughts, or bad PR coming from Yoshi P and Square Enix sweeping all of the games issues under the rug and pretending everything is fine, and that this was expected.

They should be pouring all of their efforts into 8.0, and doing at least the BARE MINIMUM PR to extinguish the flaming dumpster fire raging on every social media platform due to their lack of response or acknowledgement of any problems with Dawntrail, or any plans to address them going forward.

[Lilapop]

I'll be honest Dawntrail needs to be written off as a complete failure, in every regard. The content we are given is copy and paste from previous expansions. Stagnant. The story is a complete and utter failure that has cost this game hundreds of thousands of subs. No patch is going to remedy the botched writing, extremely long content droughts, or bad PR coming from Yoshi P and Square Enix sweeping all of the games issues under the rug and pretending everything is fine, and that this was expected.

They should be pouring all of their efforts into 8.0, and doing at least the BARE MINIMUM PR to extinguish the flaming dumpster fire raging on every social media platform due to their lack of response or acknowledgement of any problems with Dawntrail, or any plans to address them going forward.

Don't forget the content people are banking to SAVE the expansion will be a reskinned copypaste by the sounds of it.

[HyperiusUltima]

Don't forget the content people are banking to SAVE the expansion will be a reskinned copypaste by the sounds of it.

If you're talking about the Occult Crescent(Shade's Triangle) they've already hinted at a different system. I'm not sure if it's going to be like what we've seen in Eureka or Bozja - we may get something else entirely, so I'm curious at this point what they'll announce in the February PLL.

[Archeron]

If you're talking about the Occult Crescent(Shade's Triangle) they've already hinted at a different system. I'm not sure if it's going to be like what we've seen in Eureka or Bozja - we may get something else entirely, so I'm curious at this point what they'll announce in the February PLL.

I would take ANYTHING they promise with a grain of salt at this point especially since they're well aware of the player loss and will do anything to convince people to come back to experience more disappointment. We couldn't even get a micro patch without major issues, I quite frankly do not have high hopes for anything else they've been working on. It's all about them showing (and giving) us the content now, and not telling us about it.