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  1. #1
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    Serenaya's Avatar
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    Serenaya Carrin
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    We don't know the extent they're going to. It could be a "we're going after Dalamud" collectively but they're being vague as per the usual PR veil. That said, a forum post that's already slipped to the obscurity of page 2 is a terribly mute precedent to set for something that's gotten a massive portion of the playerbase pissed off and/or nervous. At least pin the thread lmao.

    Regardless, choosing this approach exclusively over actually fixing the problem that enabled this in the first place is absolutely mind-blowing. Yes, the PlayerScope dev should absolutely face consequences but as many have said, that's cutting off one head of the many the hydra undoubtedly now has. I could give benefit-of-the-doubt and say that they'll do more than they're saying publicly and keeping that quiet will stop perpetrators from getting ahead of the game, but we're long past that at this point imo. This is just extremely typical avoidance from SE/CS3 regarding issues with the game which have been piling up for years. This has already taken 2+ weeks to respond to, and it's clear they don't understand the full extent of the issue either.

    It's ultimately a product of them refusing to act for far too long. I'd like to say that for once, it's not hyperbolic to say that consequences could be further reaching than just one plugin despite the effect that could have on player numbers if Dalamud were to be shafted. However, it is extremely on-brand for SE to blame the playerbase above fixing anything themselves so it's entirely possible nothing happens and time inevitably moves along. Previously they have:

    - Banned for QoL plugins then added them themselves.
    - Blamed the playerbase for having "bad internet" during the EW launch error 2002 fiasco only for them to eventually find a bug in their server code.
    - Threatened us with stopping development of content types over their inability to moderate cheaters (yes, obviously cheating is laughably stupid so players shouldn't do it, but the root of the problem is not being addressed)
    - Indirectly told us that we're the problem when they couldn't balance jobs properly during Abyssos (and still can't). This point is far less problematic obviously, but it's another example of blaming the playerbase first.

    Now we've got another disappointed dad post about third-party, all while nothing is ever done.

    Personally I've given up.
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    Last edited by Serenaya; 01-25-2025 at 02:09 AM.

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    Daralii's Avatar
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenaya View Post
    We don't know the extent they're going to. It could be a "we're going after Dalamud" collectively but they're being vague as per the usual PR veil. That said, a forum post that's already slipped to the obscurity of page 2 is a terribly mute precedent to set for something that's gotten a massive portion of the playerbase pissed off and/or nervous. At least pin the thread lmao.

    Regardless, choosing this approach exclusively over actually fixing the problem that enabled this in the first place is absolutely mind-blowing. Yes, the PlayerScope dev should absolutely face consequences but as many have said, that's cutting off one head of the many the hydra undoubtedly now has. I could give benefit-of-the-doubt and say that they'll do more than they're saying publicly and keeping that quiet will stop perpetrators from getting ahead of the game, but we're long past that at this point imo. This is just extremely typical avoidance from SE/CS3 regarding issues with the game which have been piling up for years. This has already taken 2+ weeks to respond to, and it's clear they don't understand the full extent of the issue either.

    It's ultimately a product of them refusing to act for far too long. I'd like to say that for once, it's not hyperbolic to say that consequences could be further reaching than just one plugin despite the effect that could have on player numbers if Dalamud were to be shafted. However, it is extremely on-brand for SE to blame the playerbase above fixing anything themselves so it's entirely possible nothing happens and time inevitably moves along. Previously they have:

    - Banned for QoL plugins then added them themselves.
    - Blamed the playerbase for having "bad internet" during the EW launch error 2002 fiasco only for them to eventually find a bug in their server code.
    - Threatened us with stopping development of content types over their inability to moderate cheaters (yes, obviously cheating is laughably stupid so players shouldn't do it, but the root of the problem is not being addressed)
    - Indirectly told us that we're the problem when they couldn't balance jobs properly during Abyssos (and still can't). This point is far less problematic obviously, but it's another example of blaming the playerbase first.

    Now we've got another disappointed dad post about third-party, all while nothing is ever done.

    Personally I've given up.
    Going scorched earth on Playerscope or plugins in general at this point would accomplish nothing because the compiled databases are already as big as the LuckyBancho census, and completely detached packet sniffers would still exist, but it's easier than actually fixing the problem and admitting their mistake. They'll probably add Denuvo or EasyAntiCheat and say they fixed everything.
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    Yasu Naoya
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    Malboro
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    Going scorched earth on Playerscope or plugins in general at this point would accomplish nothing because the compiled databases are already as big as the LuckyBancho census, and completely detached packet sniffers would still exist, but it's easier than actually fixing the problem and admitting their mistake. They'll probably add Denuvo or EasyAntiCheat and say they fixed everything.
    I mentioned this earlier already but adding anti-cheat won't prevent the plugins from harvesting data because the information is sent through the network, meaning that if you know what you're looking for, you can use any other app like Wireshark to look it up. What's gonna happen is that someone will make a standalone app and continue harvesting data while SE pretends to care about its userbase.
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