Don't do chaotic raid again

[AllenThyl]

I am puzzled by this.

No surprise here.

SE consistently produces 14 content that the majority of the players dislike and do not engage with. Then the shouty minority who do like such content turn up here to tell the majority they are playing the wrong game.

As I said, no surprise here. First, high-end combat duties aren't done by some fringe minority. Second, the existence of difficult combat encounters isn't some surprise for a combat action MMORPG, it's one of the staple features of this kind of genre. When joining a tennis club, expect there to be lots of tennis, some will even do it professionally. What Ardeth is doing is joining a tennis club, and then being distressed that members of this club are, in fact, playing tennis.

This would come as an even greater shock to the bulk of casuals who are far too sensible to come here to be insulted, and who find plenty of ways to enjoy the game (and the genre) that have nothing to do with progging tramlined fights.

YOU, thankfully, don't speak for the "casuals". And neither is Ardeth representative of "the casuals". Ardeth, as an individual, has a deeply unhealthy relationship with this game. Their expectations for every single piece of content is completely out of whack. As is the impression they have from the supposed "toxicity" in pf. Playing this game isn't mandatory in any way. Queuing for any activity within the game is also not mandatory in any way. If a player doesn't have an intrinsic interest in actually doing the activity they queue for, they shouldn't. If someone feels "forced" to, that's video game addiction speaking. Some people only play tennis casually, and that is okay. That doesn't mean that everyone else also needs to lower their standards, or get dragged down morally and verbally by people who aren't even interested in tennis.

[technole]

Clear rates are okay for not even a month in, JP always higher since raiding is just a normal thing. It's definitely successful and they may have hit a sweet spot in difficulty.



Wicked Thunder Savage has about 200k clears worldwide, but of course that's been out for much much longer

[hydralus]

Clear rates are okay for not even a month in, JP always higher since raiding is just a normal thing. It's definitely successful and they may have hit a sweet spot in difficulty.



Wicked Thunder Savage has about 200k clears worldwide, but of course that's been out for much much longer

Yeah looks like it turned out fine.

>BLM has the lowest number of clears

Heh

[Mawlzy]

Ardeth, as an individual, has a deeply unhealthy relationship with this game.

You say that about anyone who disagrees with you. Either that or claim they "peaked in high school."

There are many ways to play this game, Allen.

[AllenThyl]

You assume because you know nothing, you know something.

Big words from someone who doesn't engage in PF, but paints the whole raiding scene as some toxic cesspool, even though that would get many people banned quite fast.
Big words from someone who doesn't do any difficult content, but has quite the opinion on how it works.
Big words from someone whose example of a convoluted mechanic was "a boss raising his fist and having a cast bar" ( https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...88#post6653088 )

Having you in discussions about combat content is so bizarre, since you have basically only experienced the "easy brain off" content. What combat design space can one possibly explore when "dodging the 3 second aoe marker" is the only mechanic that's acceptable to you?

You say that about anyone who disagrees with you. Either that or claim they "peaked in high school."

There are many ways to play this game, Allen.

There are many ways to play, that doesn't make them all justified or harmless. Joining a PvP game with no intention to actually do PvP / win, or worse, leeching / feeding, is harming other people's enjoyment. The whole "I don't really care about the game, I just want to chill" attitude isn't a healthy way to approach a game. If engagement with the game's activities doesn't provide the "chill" feedback one seeks, it's self-harm to engage in these activities. And it becomes anti-social behavior, when other people are involved.

Further, your whole "you say that about anyone who disagrees with you" is very much where the "peaked in high school" comes from. I don't, I say this to select individuals whose post are deeply troubling. There is nothing healthy about having a laundry list of things one "hates" in a game, and still doing things on that list. Or dramatically announcing that one leaves a thread, only to come back 3 days later like nothing happened, and being offended that people find such behavior juvenile.

First and foremost, the game is the way it is. It's a product. At some point, customers have to take responsibilities for their own actions.

[Mawlzy]

Further, your whole "you say that about anyone who disagrees with you" is very much where the "peaked in high school" comes from. I don't, I say this to select individuals whose post are deeply troubling. There is nothing healthy about having a laundry list of things one "hates" in a game, and still doing things on that list. Or dramatically announcing that one leaves a thread, only to come back 3 days later like nothing happened, and being offended that people find such behavior juvenile.

First and foremost, the game is the way it is. It's a product. At some point, customers have to take responsibilities for their own actions.

So when you find someone else's posts "deeply troubling," you conclude the poster "peaked in high school."

Interesting. This is clearly some branch of post-Lacanian psychology of which I am unaware.

Still not following, honey, but given it's you who is being deeply troubled, I can only conclude it's a "you problem."

[AllenThyl]

So when you find someone else's posts "deeply troubling," you conclude the poster "peaked in high school."

No, I conclude someone peaked in high school, when most of their forum posts are nothing but cheap comments from the off.
Or when their whole points are nothing but non-sequiturs due to severely lacking in reading comprehension.
Or when the poster shows their inability to consider that other people might indeed hold a position earnestly.
Or when a poster regularly announces their departure from a thread, just to come back a few days later like nothing happened, but being offended that others indeed took notice and call it out.

"Deeply troubling" are people with a laundry list of activities and design decisions they "hate" (their own words), or cause them "distress" (their own words), or "induce severe anxiety" (their own words), but still engaging with these activities again and again. In fact, paying a monthly subscription, and often admitting to paying for cosmetics and regular phantasias, just to not enjoy themselves. Yes, that is troubling behavior. If you don't think it is, I can't argue empathy into you.